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Jesus, what a rant because I used the word Apartheid. Yes, I got screwed over by later presidents too, but it doesn't make me afraid to condemn the system that

Jesus, what a rant because I used the word Apartheid. Yes, I got screwed over by later presidents too, but it doesn't make me afraid to condemn the system that existed before. Get over whatever issues you need to resolve. You say "big bad apartheid regime" like you could take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaner_Weerstandsbeweging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaner_Weerstandsbeweging and tell me it's all just a big misunderstanding.

kabouseng 10y ago
Whats your point? You linked to an extremist movement who had marginal support and had no affiliation with the government that existed during apartheid and that somehow proves what exactly? I mean I could link back to KKK or alt-right movements and that somehow vilifies the current USA governments (past and current) just because these groups exists? Truth be told, I've got no beef with you or an axe to grind on the subject, I just try to provide some perspective to the situation. For interests sake, do you have a link to the story about suspects getting murdered and then the police report indicating the suspect "fell against a chair". That's certainly the first I've heard about it. There certainly were some atrocities committed by both sides (whites and blacks or goverment and ANC), so I am not denying it is possible. For a good account if you want, there is an excellent book written by the police commissioner Johan van der Merwe: Trou tot die dood toe. I am not sure if it is available in english, and you might question the integrity / truthfulness of the book, but in my opinion it gives a fairly even account of the events of that time from the perspective of the police commissioner, and the commissioner himself is highly regarded, even by Nelson Mandela so that counts for something...
- TallGuyShort 10y ago
  See my other comment for the rest, but the "fell against chair" case was documented in Donald Woods' book. It wasn't Biko specifically (though I believe his official explanation was "hunger strike", which was even bigger bullshit), but I believe it was more or less a contemporary of his.
  - kabouseng 10y ago
    Thank you I know about Steve Biko, will have look at some time at Wood's book.

kabouseng 10y ago

Whats your point? You linked to an extremist movement who had marginal support and had no affiliation with the government that existed during apartheid and that somehow proves what exactly? I mean I could link back to KKK or alt-right movements and that somehow vilifies the current USA governments (past and current) just because these groups exists? Truth be told, I've got no beef with you or an axe to grind on the subject, I just try to provide some perspective to the situation. For interests sake, do you have a link to the story about suspects getting murdered and then the police report indicating the suspect "fell against a chair". That's certainly the first I've heard about it. There certainly were some atrocities committed by both sides (whites and blacks or goverment and ANC), so I am not denying it is possible. For a good account if you want, there is an excellent book written by the police commissioner Johan van der Merwe: Trou tot die dood toe. I am not sure if it is available in english, and you might question the integrity / truthfulness of the book, but in my opinion it gives a fairly even account of the events of that time from the perspective of the police commissioner, and the commissioner himself is highly regarded, even by Nelson Mandela so that counts for something...

TallGuyShort 10y ago
See my other comment for the rest, but the "fell against chair" case was documented in Donald Woods' book. It wasn't Biko specifically (though I believe his official explanation was "hunger strike", which was even bigger bullshit), but I believe it was more or less a contemporary of his.
- kabouseng 10y ago
  Thank you I know about Steve Biko, will have look at some time at Wood's book.