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I like to assess energy sources by the numbers, and by the numbers nuclear power is safe enough (far safer than continuing to burn fossils). By the numbers, new
by philipkglass 10y ago
I like to assess energy sources by the numbers, and by the numbers nuclear power is safe enough (far safer than continuing to burn fossils). By the numbers, new reactor builds are also slow and expensive, with the one notable exception of South Korea's KEPCO. (China and Russia sometimes also get cited as examples of countries that can still do nuclear power "right," but neither is particularly transparent with domestic projects nor particularly inexpensive/quick with projects they offer to build abroad.) Ten years ago Japan and France looked like they did nuclear right also. Then Fukushima tanked the Japanese nuclear industry and the ongoing disaster of EPR construction took France off the list.
France's fame as a country that did nuclear right is also a bit tainted by recent revelations of problems with component quality and forged quality control reports: http://www.powermag.com/frances-nuclear-storm-many-power-plants-down-due-to-quality-concerns/ http://www.powermag.com/frances-nuclear-storm-many-power-pla...
I should probably also mention falsified nuclear documentation in South Korea that surfaced a few years ago, in fairness to France: http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS-Indictments_for_South_Korea_forgery_scandal-1010137.html http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS-Indictments_for_South_K...
Maybe small modular reactors will make nuclear power attractive again. Or maybe even big, expensive, slow reactors will seem relatively attractive some decades from now after national grids are already saturated with as much renewable electricity as they can reasonably use. (Though even that is subject to receding horizons if bulk electricity storage gets cheaper over time.) It's really hard to see anything that will make nuclear power more competitive over the next 10 years in Japan, the Americas, Oceania, or Europe. (South Korea, China, and the Middle East and North Africa -- I expect to see continued if not particularly fast nuclear growth in these regions.)
I had thought that the AP1000 looked like a pretty incrmental, conservative, easy-to-build choice for new reactors. Builds are well behind schedule in both the US and China, and the costs are escalating too. My personal guess is that the 4 reactors now under construction in the US will not make the 2020 deadline to qualify for the new-reactor tax credits that have been available since 2005. My guess is also that all the institutions that got burned building these 4 will dissuade new US orders, so any lessons painfully learned on this first wave will not ease the construction of another wave of reactors; the lesson learned will just be "don't try to build reactors."
China's leadership can plan for the long term because there are no electoral politics nor elections. The same goes for Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Egypt where I also expect to see nuclear growth. In the heyday of France's nuclear build-out, there was something similar offering stability: EDF was a state owned electricity monopoly for all of France, and didn't have to worry about competition or the short term. Since the monopoly ended in 1999 France has only started building one new reactor, the disastrously late and over-budget Flamanville-3. With a monopoly I could imagine this being a painful lesson that nonetheless eases construction of more EPRs. Without a monopoly I think that this expensive education will be wasted, like the skills relearned from the current AP1000 projects will be wasted in the US.
Just add these nuclear industry woes to the very long list of reasons that the world is not on track to stabilize the climate with emissions cuts alone, and will need active carbon dioxide removal measures later this century or sometime in the 22nd, assuming that industrial civilization remains intact.
- olau 10y agoThank you for your well-written comment. I just want to that I think it's unlikely new big reactors will have a place in a grid with plenty of renewables. You're going to have a hard time making the ends meet up if you can't sell all the power the reactor produces, and that won't happen as it can't beat the marginal costs of wind turbines or solar panels. Burning biomass, biogas or some sort of mass storage will be much cheaper. Regarding the latter, in Denmark the former CTO of Siemens Wind Power has devised a plan for heated stone storage. So you heat the stone with electricity to around 600 degrees C and can thus use the heat to drive a turbine later. Last I heard another company in Denmark recently got EU funding to build a demonstration plant. (Not saying this will be the future, just putting it out there for people who think the only alternatives are hydro and chemical batteries.)
- philipkglass 10y agoMy personal guess is that you are right and that large reactors will not find any more popularity after renewable penetration reaches high levels. But I want to keep alternative scenarios in mind even if I consider them unlikely. Ten years ago I also thought that fluid hydrocarbon prices (both oil and gas) were going to stay high, if they didn't just keep climbing, but the shale revolution upended that expectation. If any of the miraculous-on-paper new reactor designs being pitched by evangelists ever perform up to expectations in real life that could make nuclear power a low-cost electricity source again. I know that public opinion and environmental activism are often cited as reasons for nuclear power's failure to thrive in the developed world, and there's some truth to that. But I also think that if new reactor designs ever live up to the hype of producing the cheapest electricity around, they will become widespread despite opposition from activists. For a parallel, again look at the shale revolution. Fracking is vocally opposed by environmentalists and celebrities (many ordinary members of the public too), but it still grew rapidly because it actually delivered lower cost energy to buyers. The fact that nuclear keeps failing to deliver low costs/predictable construction schedules is a bigger factor in its weak market prospects than opposition by Greenpeace. Greenpeace opposes many things and usually fails to stop them.
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