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> IMO it's a very good law for the population/nation/citizens. But this is how Govts make enemies in business communities. Actions like these what made China 2

> IMO it's a very good law for the population/nation/citizens. But this is how Govts make enemies in business communities. Actions like these what made China 2nd most wealthy nation in record time. > Ignoring that it will help small businesses. How ? Common sense tell me this will put more legal requirements; those are never fun. > being able to do what you want with the things you bought should be a right, not a privilege Absolutely. But this forces Apple/others. It does not release customers from restrictions. If there are such any restrictions, Govts would be with in their rights to make such user/customer agreements unenforcable. But again, thats what not happening here. > Your car stops working because you haven't made your mandatory overpriced yearly checkup? Sounds neat How about you look for more favourable company ? But you know thats what people do. Such anti-customer corporations you are describing does not last for long in the market unless ofcourse Govts are helping them in someway, as the history shows. > Also having access to at least service manuals (if not complete schematics) can help repair and reuse electronics, which is great for the environment, low wage workers/families and developing nations in general Irrelevent. You are curbing liberties. Thats the argument against the law.

collyw 10y ago
>Actions like these what made China 2nd most wealthy nation in record time. And you see that as a bad thing?
prodmerc 10y ago
The government is for all people not only businesses. Small businesses providing repair services is what I meant, but it could also help businesses keep costs low by repairing stuff themselves. BTW, I'm not only talking about Apple with this right to repair stuff, I'm talking about every company. Companies that make devices everyone lives with and depends on, and they want to retain control of them even though people pay the full price not for renting, but owning. Yeah you can look for another company. Do it before they're driven out of business or acquired by the established ones. Or you can force corporations to do something that will benefit the population. Liberties of the corporations. Well, companies really need some restrictions right now. The chase for growth and profits is insane and will fuck up the majority of people and this planet pretty soon. You sound either like a multi-millionaire CEO or a brainwashed person who believes he's gonna be a millionaire someday. Well, guess what, if you're middle to low class, the odds you'll strike it big are quite low (and they're getting lower every year).
- meanduck 10y ago
  > The government is for all people not only businesses. Look like we are talking about robinhood govts now. In practice it never goes well for anyone except politicians and bureaucrats. > BTW, I'm not only talking about Apple with this right to repair stuff, I'm talking about every company. Companies that make devices everyone lives with and depends on, and they want to retain control of them even though people pay the full price not for renting, but owning. In favour of the cause. But very opposed to the means. > Yeah you can look for another company. Do it before they're driven out of business or acquired by the established ones. Or you can force corporations to do something that will benefit the population. And you see more regulatory burden as help in their struggle against the establisheds ? > Liberties of the corporations. Well, companies really need some restrictions right now. The chase for growth and profits is insane and will fuck up the majority of people and this planet pretty soon. Libertaies are libertaies. The line of discrimination is always drawn in sand. > You sound either like a multi-millionaire CEO or a brainwashed person who believes he's gonna be a millionaire someday. Well, guess what, if you're middle to low class, the odds you'll strike it big are quite low (and they're getting lower every year). You just have to more successful than 50% to feel the burn. Not even that if your crossing the borders for example. Noone goes unscathed in your world. And you should also not assume yourself to be most poor. There are always 10 more poor/unprivalaged/needy behind you. PS: Apparently 2posts/hr and 3posts/day is "posting too fast" for HN.
- stuaxo 10y ago
  I'm not sure why "pro business" always seems to mean pro-big corporate. They already have huge advantages, having laws that even the field and allow smaller businesses seems much more pro-business to me.
hownottowrite 10y ago
Rich is relative. Sure, China has the second largest GDP but on a per capita basis it's not even in the top 50 (regardless of purchasing power parity or straight up wealth).

collyw 10y ago

>Actions like these what made China 2nd most wealthy nation in record time. And you see that as a bad thing?

prodmerc 10y ago

The government is for all people not only businesses. Small businesses providing repair services is what I meant, but it could also help businesses keep costs low by repairing stuff themselves. BTW, I'm not only talking about Apple with this right to repair stuff, I'm talking about every company. Companies that make devices everyone lives with and depends on, and they want to retain control of them even though people pay the full price not for renting, but owning. Yeah you can look for another company. Do it before they're driven out of business or acquired by the established ones. Or you can force corporations to do something that will benefit the population. Liberties of the corporations. Well, companies really need some restrictions right now. The chase for growth and profits is insane and will fuck up the majority of people and this planet pretty soon. You sound either like a multi-millionaire CEO or a brainwashed person who believes he's gonna be a millionaire someday. Well, guess what, if you're middle to low class, the odds you'll strike it big are quite low (and they're getting lower every year).

meanduck 10y ago
> The government is for all people not only businesses. Look like we are talking about robinhood govts now. In practice it never goes well for anyone except politicians and bureaucrats. > BTW, I'm not only talking about Apple with this right to repair stuff, I'm talking about every company. Companies that make devices everyone lives with and depends on, and they want to retain control of them even though people pay the full price not for renting, but owning. In favour of the cause. But very opposed to the means. > Yeah you can look for another company. Do it before they're driven out of business or acquired by the established ones. Or you can force corporations to do something that will benefit the population. And you see more regulatory burden as help in their struggle against the establisheds ? > Liberties of the corporations. Well, companies really need some restrictions right now. The chase for growth and profits is insane and will fuck up the majority of people and this planet pretty soon. Libertaies are libertaies. The line of discrimination is always drawn in sand. > You sound either like a multi-millionaire CEO or a brainwashed person who believes he's gonna be a millionaire someday. Well, guess what, if you're middle to low class, the odds you'll strike it big are quite low (and they're getting lower every year). You just have to more successful than 50% to feel the burn. Not even that if your crossing the borders for example. Noone goes unscathed in your world. And you should also not assume yourself to be most poor. There are always 10 more poor/unprivalaged/needy behind you. PS: Apparently 2posts/hr and 3posts/day is "posting too fast" for HN.
stuaxo 10y ago
I'm not sure why "pro business" always seems to mean pro-big corporate. They already have huge advantages, having laws that even the field and allow smaller businesses seems much more pro-business to me.

hownottowrite 10y ago

Rich is relative. Sure, China has the second largest GDP but on a per capita basis it's not even in the top 50 (regardless of purchasing power parity or straight up wealth).