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And what's the problem of being implemented in C?

by Tanegashima 10y ago

bsaul 10y ago
swift ambitions to become a system programming language. That means to replace C.
- Tanegashima 10y ago
  Yes, let's rush the development of the language, just to say you can do X. /s
coldtea 10y ago
What's your problem with it being implemented in Swift? Because you phrased your answer in an adversary tone (what with neckbeards, people jealous of Swift "taking the spotlight" etc) as if there was some war going on. Plus the whole, "It will always only be dispatch queues, deal with them, period" vibe I don't really care for. I gather you are not an official spokesperson for the Swift team, and thus qualified to make such a call? If you read TFA, it's an Apple engineer that says: "Memory ownership is a topic that keeps poking its head up here. Core team members have mentioned several times that it's something we're interested in working on. "
- Tanegashima 10y ago
  Because 99% of the interest in this is people who don't have a life (or a job, or a girlfriend, or...) just to say "see, APPLE COPIED this from the open source community, those bastards" like we constantly see from the Rust guys since Swift debuted. Swift doesn't have not one, but MANY MILLIONS of things necessary to be a systems language before memory ownership. It will be one day, but it's only at it's infancy at 2 years old. Right now, Swift works well for Apps, and it's stupid that low level of memory management when you have GCD.
  - kibwen 10y ago
    > "see, APPLE COPIED this from the open source community, those bastards" like we constantly see from the Rust guys since Swift debuted What? Not only did Lattner repeatedly state that Rust (among other languages) was an influence on Swift, the Rust developers are proud, not salty about that fact. In fact, they're quite open about taking features from Swift as well (e.g. `if let`). Three of Apple's Swift developers are former Rust developers/interns.
    - Tanegashima 10y ago
      I know that, but there's a difference between those who do, and those who talk about it. And all I see here is those who talk about it.
      - coldtea 10y ago
        >And all I see here is those who talk about it. That's because here is not the official mailing list of either Rust or Swift. DUH! And even here, 99% of those who comment, don't talk about for the envy/war reasons that you attribute to them. In fact you're one of the very few to bring up this BS rivalry thing.

And what's the problem of being implemented in C?

bsaul 10y ago

swift ambitions to become a system programming language. That means to replace C.

Tanegashima 10y ago
Yes, let's rush the development of the language, just to say you can do X. /s

coldtea 10y ago

What's your problem with it being implemented in Swift? Because you phrased your answer in an adversary tone (what with neckbeards, people jealous of Swift "taking the spotlight" etc) as if there was some war going on. Plus the whole, "It will always only be dispatch queues, deal with them, period" vibe I don't really care for. I gather you are not an official spokesperson for the Swift team, and thus qualified to make such a call? If you read TFA, it's an Apple engineer that says: "Memory ownership is a topic that keeps poking its head up here. Core team members have mentioned several times that it's something we're interested in working on. "

Tanegashima 10y ago
Because 99% of the interest in this is people who don't have a life (or a job, or a girlfriend, or...) just to say "see, APPLE COPIED this from the open source community, those bastards" like we constantly see from the Rust guys since Swift debuted. Swift doesn't have not one, but MANY MILLIONS of things necessary to be a systems language before memory ownership. It will be one day, but it's only at it's infancy at 2 years old. Right now, Swift works well for Apps, and it's stupid that low level of memory management when you have GCD.
- kibwen 10y ago
  > "see, APPLE COPIED this from the open source community, those bastards" like we constantly see from the Rust guys since Swift debuted What? Not only did Lattner repeatedly state that Rust (among other languages) was an influence on Swift, the Rust developers are proud, not salty about that fact. In fact, they're quite open about taking features from Swift as well (e.g. `if let`). Three of Apple's Swift developers are former Rust developers/interns.
  - Tanegashima 10y ago
    I know that, but there's a difference between those who do, and those who talk about it. And all I see here is those who talk about it.
    - coldtea 10y ago
      >And all I see here is those who talk about it. That's because here is not the official mailing list of either Rust or Swift. DUH! And even here, 99% of those who comment, don't talk about for the envy/war reasons that you attribute to them. In fact you're one of the very few to bring up this BS rivalry thing.