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I'm curious, have you ever been mailed a rotting dead rat in a plastic bag before? Some people have legitimate reasons to not want to be found and the police a

I'm curious, have you ever been mailed a rotting dead rat in a plastic bag before? Some people have legitimate reasons to not want to be found and the police aren't going to do much with that kind of harassment either. Similarly, if there is legitimate evidence a "crime" was committed via the website they can seize the domain or the registrar can. "Anonymous DNS" information doesn't get you very far if there is a legitimate court case.

yosamino 10y ago
> Some people have legitimate reasons to not want to be found That's definitely true! But let's say a crime has been or is being committed (and I am not sure why you're putting it in quotes) via a website who's contact information is available via WHOIS and which is served from a legitimate ISP. The usual route to take is to contact the registrar and the ISP with the info that this-and-that is happening. Usually, after a short period of time the registrar or ISP will agree (or not!) that whatever is going on is not acceptable on their network, and then take appropriate action. That even works for privacy oriented ISPs in Island, where they are under not legal obligation to do anything. This is what I've been doing for many years when I come across illegal content, spam, botnets, phishing, and so on. Sometimes networks do not cooperate and then usually it possible to block their net ranges as a means to make them realize hosting botnets isn't maybe so great. But with the combination of ButtFlare and certain Whois privacy hosters, this is not possible. ButtFlare is too large to just block, and ButtFlare just doesn't give any fucks. They aren't a beacon of light upholding freedom of speech on the internet, they are just too cheap to actually have anyone deal with these sort of reports seriously, so they, instead of reading what I report to them, report with the same canned response: > We are just a proxy. We are responsible for nothing. The absolute maximum they are willing to do, is forward my request to the upstream ISP, which for safety reasons is unacceptable. So you see, I do understand the legitimate need to not be found. I just think that if you run a service as your main business, then you are responsible for what your service is offering. Ebay somehow manages to not be a marketplace for anonymous heroin deals, I'm holding CloudFlare to the same standard.
- leesalminen 10y ago
  > ButtFlare +1 for that alone. I've fond memories of the Cloud2Butt extension.
  - yosamino 10y ago
    note to self: this extension changes the text in textareas ...

yosamino 10y ago

> Some people have legitimate reasons to not want to be found That's definitely true! But let's say a crime has been or is being committed (and I am not sure why you're putting it in quotes) via a website who's contact information is available via WHOIS and which is served from a legitimate ISP. The usual route to take is to contact the registrar and the ISP with the info that this-and-that is happening. Usually, after a short period of time the registrar or ISP will agree (or not!) that whatever is going on is not acceptable on their network, and then take appropriate action. That even works for privacy oriented ISPs in Island, where they are under not legal obligation to do anything. This is what I've been doing for many years when I come across illegal content, spam, botnets, phishing, and so on. Sometimes networks do not cooperate and then usually it possible to block their net ranges as a means to make them realize hosting botnets isn't maybe so great. But with the combination of ButtFlare and certain Whois privacy hosters, this is not possible. ButtFlare is too large to just block, and ButtFlare just doesn't give any fucks. They aren't a beacon of light upholding freedom of speech on the internet, they are just too cheap to actually have anyone deal with these sort of reports seriously, so they, instead of reading what I report to them, report with the same canned response: > We are just a proxy. We are responsible for nothing. The absolute maximum they are willing to do, is forward my request to the upstream ISP, which for safety reasons is unacceptable. So you see, I do understand the legitimate need to not be found. I just think that if you run a service as your main business, then you are responsible for what your service is offering. Ebay somehow manages to not be a marketplace for anonymous heroin deals, I'm holding CloudFlare to the same standard.

leesalminen 10y ago
> ButtFlare +1 for that alone. I've fond memories of the Cloud2Butt extension.
- yosamino 10y ago
  note to self: this extension changes the text in textareas ...