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Look, my time is valuable. I decide what media to play based on my preferences. If I don't want to see ads, why would I instruct my browser to play them? If

by maqr 10y ago

Look, my time is valuable. I decide what media to play based on my preferences. If I don't want to see ads, why would I instruct my browser to play them? If giving out free videos isn't a sustainable business model, change your business model. No amount of shame will ever be effective in getting me to turn off my adblocker. Sorry if this offends you.

AjithAntony 10y ago
> If giving out free videos Are they giving out free videos? The content creator gets to choose how to monetize, right? The platform does allow for free, and the creator chose to get paid.
Rumudiez 10y ago
For being such a bunch of stingy capitalists, it's always surprising to see people defend businesses without viable models. If hosting content online for free isn't working for you, maybe that's not a commercial space worth occupying. Not everything deserves to be paid for, "selfish" or not. Users, aka "the market," will decide if your product is usable despite the income generating parts. Marginally related, if your business isn't profitable enough to pay your employees a livable wage, then maybe your business isn't actually profitable enough to, well, be "in business."
- always_good 10y ago
  Dunno, what doesn't seem "viable" is serving ads that can be trivially blocked. We haven't even reached the real arms race yet, and people are already talking like adblockers won. Let's pick this convo back up at least when ad networks like Adsense let you proxy through your server, ending an entire class of adblocking at once. And that's not the end of the low-hanging fruit.
  - icebraining 10y ago
    Adblockers have blocked first-party ads forever. They just use other methods to recognize them, rather than the origin URL.
- ue_ 10y ago
  >For being such a bunch of stingy capitalists, it's always surprising to see people defend businesses without viable models. Perhaps I don't do it personally because I'm a Communist.
awj 10y ago
> No amount of shame will ever be effective in getting me to turn off my adblocker. Sorry if this offends you. Well, then, don't get upset when people persist in shaming you for trying to have your cake and eat it too. Ad blocking hurts a business model that allows us to have things without paying real money for them. Hopefully it isn't hard to understand why people are upset that you're allowing your personal preferences to jeopardize that.
- pjc50 10y ago
  Y'know, sooner or later someone's going to write a "shaming attempt blocker". It would improve quite a lot of the internet, although on some magazines you'd be left with only the ads.
Veratyr 10y ago
> Look, my time is valuable. Clearly your time isn't valuable, as you spend it watching content you value at $0. If the content you watched and hence the time you spent watching it actually held value to you, you would be happy to pay the meagre $10/mo subscription fee.
- icebraining 10y ago
  I assume you spend most of your income of water, right? After all, it's the most indispensable element of out lives. Also, as it was pointed out in this thread, less than 10% of the world population has access to those subscriptions.
  - Veratyr 10y ago
    > I assume you spend most of your income of water, right? After all, it's the most indispensable element of out lives. Water is a commodity, it doesn't require you to contribute for it to be available, it's ubiquitous and cheap. I pay less than I value it at, yes, as a price has been set and there's no method or reason to pay more for it. YouTube content however is not a commodity and the amount of money that goes into it affects the quality and quantity of content available. Throw $10m at water, you get nothing meaningfully better. Throw $10m at YouTube creators, you get a new major original series or a few small ones. > Also, as it was pointed out in this thread, less than 10% of the world population has access to those subscriptions. And they can pay for it with ads. The price for the content has been set. You can choose to pay for it or you can choose to essentially steal it.

by maqr 10y ago

AjithAntony 10y ago

> If giving out free videos Are they giving out free videos? The content creator gets to choose how to monetize, right? The platform does allow for free, and the creator chose to get paid.

Rumudiez 10y ago

For being such a bunch of stingy capitalists, it's always surprising to see people defend businesses without viable models. If hosting content online for free isn't working for you, maybe that's not a commercial space worth occupying. Not everything deserves to be paid for, "selfish" or not. Users, aka "the market," will decide if your product is usable despite the income generating parts. Marginally related, if your business isn't profitable enough to pay your employees a livable wage, then maybe your business isn't actually profitable enough to, well, be "in business."

always_good 10y ago
Dunno, what doesn't seem "viable" is serving ads that can be trivially blocked. We haven't even reached the real arms race yet, and people are already talking like adblockers won. Let's pick this convo back up at least when ad networks like Adsense let you proxy through your server, ending an entire class of adblocking at once. And that's not the end of the low-hanging fruit.
- icebraining 10y ago
  Adblockers have blocked first-party ads forever. They just use other methods to recognize them, rather than the origin URL.
ue_ 10y ago
>For being such a bunch of stingy capitalists, it's always surprising to see people defend businesses without viable models. Perhaps I don't do it personally because I'm a Communist.

awj 10y ago

> No amount of shame will ever be effective in getting me to turn off my adblocker. Sorry if this offends you. Well, then, don't get upset when people persist in shaming you for trying to have your cake and eat it too. Ad blocking hurts a business model that allows us to have things without paying real money for them. Hopefully it isn't hard to understand why people are upset that you're allowing your personal preferences to jeopardize that.

pjc50 10y ago
Y'know, sooner or later someone's going to write a "shaming attempt blocker". It would improve quite a lot of the internet, although on some magazines you'd be left with only the ads.

Veratyr 10y ago

> Look, my time is valuable. Clearly your time isn't valuable, as you spend it watching content you value at $0. If the content you watched and hence the time you spent watching it actually held value to you, you would be happy to pay the meagre $10/mo subscription fee.

icebraining 10y ago
I assume you spend most of your income of water, right? After all, it's the most indispensable element of out lives. Also, as it was pointed out in this thread, less than 10% of the world population has access to those subscriptions.
- Veratyr 10y ago
  > I assume you spend most of your income of water, right? After all, it's the most indispensable element of out lives. Water is a commodity, it doesn't require you to contribute for it to be available, it's ubiquitous and cheap. I pay less than I value it at, yes, as a price has been set and there's no method or reason to pay more for it. YouTube content however is not a commodity and the amount of money that goes into it affects the quality and quantity of content available. Throw $10m at water, you get nothing meaningfully better. Throw $10m at YouTube creators, you get a new major original series or a few small ones. > Also, as it was pointed out in this thread, less than 10% of the world population has access to those subscriptions. And they can pay for it with ads. The price for the content has been set. You can choose to pay for it or you can choose to essentially steal it.