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None of those practices are extreme. Moving production to a different city in the same country because it's cheaper bears no difference to moving to a different

None of those practices are extreme. Moving production to a different city in the same country because it's cheaper bears no difference to moving to a different country. Using a horse to carry things instead of hiring a few extra people to do so is no different from using a robot. We've all been doing the same things for thousands of years, and we've all been worried in the same way.

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bogomipz 10y ago
>"None of those practices are extreme. Moving production to a different city in the same country because it's cheaper bears no difference to moving to a different country." It's very different. If I establish a company I choose to start a company if possible in a place that has a favorable business climate and by that I mean, there is access to labor, and capital, there's a mature legal system, a stable currency and a stable government. If I become wildly successful and decide that I am going to rent a mailbox on Grand Cayman and say my company is "based in the Cayman Island" despite having no people or office there, I think that qualifies as extreme behavior. I still want all of the protections and freedoms associated with the country where my actual headquarters is, I just don't want to play by the rules now . Even though its still that same favorable business environment that enabled me to become wildly successful. This is extreme. You can argue about corporate tax rates all you want but you knew what those were when you incorporated. >"Using a horse to carry things instead of hiring a few extra people to do so is no different from using a robot." I'm sorry what year were horses discovered? There was no discovery of horses that caused paradigm shift that led to precipitous large scale unemployment. Please point me to that bit of history. >"We've all been doing the same things for thousands of years, and we've all been worried in the same way" No we have not. It was a generation ago, you would work for "the company" until you were 65. And they would give you gold wrist watch on the day you retired.
- tnecniv 10y ago
  > I'm sorry what year were horses discovered? There was no discovery of horses that caused paradigm shift that led to precipitous large scale unemployment. Please point me to that bit of history. Not horses but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite
- ucaetano 10y ago
  "It was a generation ago, you would work for "the company" until you were 65. And they would give you gold wrist watch on the day you retired." But do you realize that this model lasted for about a generation, and only a small % of the world population (probably <5%) benefited from it? There's more to the world than the European and American middle class. That is irrelevant in the long term.
  - bogomipz 10y ago
    >"There's more to the world than the European and American middle class" Did you read this article? Its exactly about the European middle class! One of the reasons these types of stories have been such a part of the news cycle lately is precisely because it is effecting the once safe middle class in both America and Europe. Also why is the fact that it lasted a generation relevant? We are always guided by our recent history. Things like education, retirement, labor polices are all "informed" by our recent history.

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bogomipz 10y ago

>"None of those practices are extreme. Moving production to a different city in the same country because it's cheaper bears no difference to moving to a different country." It's very different. If I establish a company I choose to start a company if possible in a place that has a favorable business climate and by that I mean, there is access to labor, and capital, there's a mature legal system, a stable currency and a stable government. If I become wildly successful and decide that I am going to rent a mailbox on Grand Cayman and say my company is "based in the Cayman Island" despite having no people or office there, I think that qualifies as extreme behavior. I still want all of the protections and freedoms associated with the country where my actual headquarters is, I just don't want to play by the rules now . Even though its still that same favorable business environment that enabled me to become wildly successful. This is extreme. You can argue about corporate tax rates all you want but you knew what those were when you incorporated. >"Using a horse to carry things instead of hiring a few extra people to do so is no different from using a robot." I'm sorry what year were horses discovered? There was no discovery of horses that caused paradigm shift that led to precipitous large scale unemployment. Please point me to that bit of history. >"We've all been doing the same things for thousands of years, and we've all been worried in the same way" No we have not. It was a generation ago, you would work for "the company" until you were 65. And they would give you gold wrist watch on the day you retired.

tnecniv 10y ago
> I'm sorry what year were horses discovered? There was no discovery of horses that caused paradigm shift that led to precipitous large scale unemployment. Please point me to that bit of history. Not horses but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite
ucaetano 10y ago
"It was a generation ago, you would work for "the company" until you were 65. And they would give you gold wrist watch on the day you retired." But do you realize that this model lasted for about a generation, and only a small % of the world population (probably <5%) benefited from it? There's more to the world than the European and American middle class. That is irrelevant in the long term.
- bogomipz 10y ago
  >"There's more to the world than the European and American middle class" Did you read this article? Its exactly about the European middle class! One of the reasons these types of stories have been such a part of the news cycle lately is precisely because it is effecting the once safe middle class in both America and Europe. Also why is the fact that it lasted a generation relevant? We are always guided by our recent history. Things like education, retirement, labor polices are all "informed" by our recent history.