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See the Atheism+ debacle a few years ago. The entire thing was CoC abuse writ large. "Its Atheism PLUS morality, sensitivity, acceptance, diversity, etc." Th
by adekok 10y ago
See the Atheism+ debacle a few years ago. The entire thing was CoC abuse writ large.
"Its Atheism PLUS morality, sensitivity, acceptance, diversity, etc."
Things which are all well and good, but that turned out to not be the point. The point seemed to be that creation and enforcement of CoC rules was more important than anything else.
People argued endlessly about which rules should be created, what the rules meant, and how to enforce the rules. Which in practice, meant witch hunting, and a totalitatian enforcement of vaguely-defined values.
i.e. nasty, toxic, behavior.
This negative behavior was pointed out to one of the main proponents. To prove the nay-sayers wrong, he created a sock puppet account which asked a simple question "Hey guys, what's this thing about?"
Cue hysterics and shaming of the newbie.
He publicly came out and said the account was his, and that this behavior was bad.
Cue hysterics and shaming of him.
He was banned (both accounts) from the forum. A thread was set up specifically for people to discuss how they were betrayed / hurt / abused by his behavior.
Another major proponent who talked endlessly about the need to be inclusive towards women and not sexually harass them... has now been accused of repeated sexual harassment. And his public statements pretty much say "yeah... that actually happened, but it was all a misunderstanding"
And what are the results of this new movement? Well, a few years later, it's dead. The forums are dead. The proponents are fighting each other. One was drummed out, and then publicly admitted that the people she was against were nicer to her than her ex-allies.
When the "bad" people are more moral than the "good" people, I think you have your labels reversed.
I've advocated for this before. Codes of conduct should be simple. Technical forums should have a code of conduct that says "Technical topics are on topic. Others are not. Off-topic conversations will be stopped. Continued off-topic conversations will result in a warning, and a ban."
Anything else devolves into a morality play. Where the proponents argue about which moral standards are correct, and which ones are evil and wrong.
In short, people who obsess about enforcing codes of conduct are toxic. They don't get anything done. They largely have never gotten anything done.
- wolfgke 10y ago> Technical forums should have a code of conduct that says "Technical topics are on topic. Others are not. Off-topic conversations will be stopped. Continued off-topic conversations will result in a warning, and a ban." Let me tell a story about off-topic postings in a forum that I was active at. There was a member who often posted (let's say) controversial, but very reasoned answers in this forum. They were often against the official consensus of the forum, which lead to strong reactions and controversies (I can even imagine that he loved this controversies); but as I said: his arguments were very well reasoned. So there were some moderator(s?) who rather would have liked to ban him from the forum (but they couldn't easily, since there were people who rightfully said that though his postings are controversial, they come from a completely different side of view, so they have value for the community). So the moderators gave him a warning (I think there were two warnings were before ban) because of some off-topic posts (there were some terms hidden in the forum rules, which really nobody read). This lead to an outcry in the forum since there were other (less controversial) forum members who also accidentally wrote off-topic posts, so people sensed an agenda. One of the moderators (a very recognised one) did the (IMHO) only correct thing that one can do in this emotionally charged situation as a moderator: She gave an official warning to herself in the "warnings thread", for the reason that she accidentally wrote some off-topic posts, too.