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Can you modify Live or Cubase?

thirdsun 10y ago
"modify" is a very flexible term, but at least Live offers lots of customization options, particularly when you consider Max for Live: https://www.ableton.com/en/live/max-for-live/ https://www.ableton.com/en/live/max-for-live/
- smonff 10y ago
  Can you modify Max?
  - pjmlp 10y ago
    Does it matter at all when one doesn't want to?
    - smonff 10y ago
      This is a thread about a Free / Open Source operating system announcement. Why Cubase, Live and Max are even mentioned here? The problem for me is not superior VS inferior or impressive VS unimpressive software but free software VS closed software.
      - coldtea 10y ago
        >The problem for me is not superior VS inferior or impressive VS unimpressive software but free software VS closed software. The problem for most people is good and inferior, or "getting my work done with this" and "this is lacking". Free vs closed doesn't even come second to most people's concerns, and I'm not even sure it should.
        bostand 10y ago
        Funny thing... My main problem has recently been "why can't I open these songs anymore" vs "can still edit old productions anywhere, any OS, no need for intrusive DRM that takes over my entire laptop just because Steinberg"
  - thirdsun 10y ago
    Do you know Max? It's basically a toolkit for building audio, video and other applications/plugins. Creating and modifying is its main purpose. https://cycling74.com/products/max/ https://cycling74.com/products/max/
    - smonff 10y ago
      Then do it with Pure Data!
      - coldtea 10y ago
        Why, so we can score some freedom points? If Pure Data was as mature and polished as Max (which it is not) we just as well would. If not, those things matter more than openness when you have music to record and work to do.
oelmekki 10y ago
Or even a better question : can you plug Live to Cubase? Audio on linux is not just playing catch up, the whole jackd system, allowing to take output from any program supporting jack (most programs for musicians) and use it as an input for an other one is unparalleled, afaik.
- smonff 10y ago
  For those who don't know, Jack allows to plug any software, virtual instrument or sound card in/out into any other one almost as simply as it would be on a physical mixer. This is also the meaning of Freedom: you are not condemned to follow the editor choices in term of possibilities.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    >This is also the meaning of Freedom: you are not condemned to follow the editor choices in term of possibilities. There's also another meaning of freedom: freedom from having to care of worry about the platform, and being free to create, because you have a thing that "just works". For musicians that's more important than "route everything to everything" (for which there are solutions even for commercial DAWs, e.g. Rewire for those that do care for it). It's all about tradeoffs, but Jack and "freedom to modify DAW code" is pretty down on the list of priorities for 99% of musicians.
    - bostand 10y ago
      Why do you think the free/open source stuff don't "just work"? Also, a lot of time using FOSS is a choice we make not because of the price or principals but for convenience. I simply don't want to juggle licenses and dongles between home and studio computers, or for that matter be forced to install licensing software that is more or less a rootkit...
coldtea 10y ago
Live, for one, comes with a full blown programming environment called Max for Live, where you can create all kinds of things on par with native plugins and controls. But the more essential question is: does it matter? If one is experimental electronic musician / sound artist, it might be worth it. But the average musician wants a good environment with the features they need built-in (and easy access to quality third party plugins etc for FX etc), not to tinker (and even less so, in C/C++) with their DAW.

"modify" is a very flexible term, but at least Live offers lots of customization options, particularly when you consider Max for Live: https://www.ableton.com/en/live/max-for-live/ https://www.ableton.com/en/live/max-for-live/

smonff 10y ago
Can you modify Max?
- pjmlp 10y ago
  Does it matter at all when one doesn't want to?
  - smonff 10y ago
    This is a thread about a Free / Open Source operating system announcement. Why Cubase, Live and Max are even mentioned here? The problem for me is not superior VS inferior or impressive VS unimpressive software but free software VS closed software.
    - coldtea 10y ago
      >The problem for me is not superior VS inferior or impressive VS unimpressive software but free software VS closed software. The problem for most people is good and inferior, or "getting my work done with this" and "this is lacking". Free vs closed doesn't even come second to most people's concerns, and I'm not even sure it should.
      - bostand 10y ago
        Funny thing... My main problem has recently been "why can't I open these songs anymore" vs "can still edit old productions anywhere, any OS, no need for intrusive DRM that takes over my entire laptop just because Steinberg"
- thirdsun 10y ago
  Do you know Max? It's basically a toolkit for building audio, video and other applications/plugins. Creating and modifying is its main purpose. https://cycling74.com/products/max/ https://cycling74.com/products/max/
  - smonff 10y ago
    Then do it with Pure Data!
    - coldtea 10y ago
      Why, so we can score some freedom points? If Pure Data was as mature and polished as Max (which it is not) we just as well would. If not, those things matter more than openness when you have music to record and work to do.

oelmekki 10y ago

Or even a better question : can you plug Live to Cubase? Audio on linux is not just playing catch up, the whole jackd system, allowing to take output from any program supporting jack (most programs for musicians) and use it as an input for an other one is unparalleled, afaik.

smonff 10y ago
For those who don't know, Jack allows to plug any software, virtual instrument or sound card in/out into any other one almost as simply as it would be on a physical mixer. This is also the meaning of Freedom: you are not condemned to follow the editor choices in term of possibilities.
- coldtea 10y ago
  >This is also the meaning of Freedom: you are not condemned to follow the editor choices in term of possibilities. There's also another meaning of freedom: freedom from having to care of worry about the platform, and being free to create, because you have a thing that "just works". For musicians that's more important than "route everything to everything" (for which there are solutions even for commercial DAWs, e.g. Rewire for those that do care for it). It's all about tradeoffs, but Jack and "freedom to modify DAW code" is pretty down on the list of priorities for 99% of musicians.
  - bostand 10y ago
    Why do you think the free/open source stuff don't "just work"? Also, a lot of time using FOSS is a choice we make not because of the price or principals but for convenience. I simply don't want to juggle licenses and dongles between home and studio computers, or for that matter be forced to install licensing software that is more or less a rootkit...

coldtea 10y ago

Live, for one, comes with a full blown programming environment called Max for Live, where you can create all kinds of things on par with native plugins and controls. But the more essential question is: does it matter? If one is experimental electronic musician / sound artist, it might be worth it. But the average musician wants a good environment with the features they need built-in (and easy access to quality third party plugins etc for FX etc), not to tinker (and even less so, in C/C++) with their DAW.