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but the proprietary nature of Windows 10 is the problem. Cost. Spyware. Security. ...

mephistopheles 10y ago
I don't like the way Microsoft has lately begun treating both their devs and customers, but nevertheless they are a corporation - they have to someway make a profit - a business survives by adapting to their users and telemetry ("spyware") is data; data on which they (should) adapt to their user needs.
- junk_disposal 10y ago
  >data on which they (should) adapt to their user needs. Then make it optional. Or at least opt-out. Or say that if you don't enable telemetry, your opinion won't count. Or at least tell you what they're getting and how.
- ben0x539 10y ago
  The fact that you can spell out the motivation of someone's shitty behavior doesn't elevate it above criticism!
pjmlp 10y ago
> Spyware. Security. ... I hope you don't use web apps, ChromeOS or Android then.
- em3rgent0rdr 10y ago
  For web, I always have Privacy Badger + Ublock + ScriptSafe (which I selectively disable). For Android, Instead of StockRoms + GooglePlay I use Lineage + F-Droid (only open source apps). And on my ChromeOS labtop, I installed Parabola Linux (free-software-only version of Arch Linux).
  - pjmlp 10y ago
    Regarding web, that is only partial security, as you cannot avoid everything that gets stored on the application servers.
  - SippinLean 10y ago
    How is that philosophically different than using Windows with Spybot Anti-beacon (or similar telemetry-blocker)? You're critical of Windows for collecting data, but use other software that collects similar data, saying "that's fine I have 3rd-party privacy tools". These same tools have existed for Win10 since week 1.
    - 0x6c6f6c 10y ago
      > How is that philosophically different than using Windows He has entirely FOSS stacks for his devices? Quite literally no proprietary code wherever possible? They're not "3rd-party privacy tools" he's making a point of, outside of a browser which isn't what the complaint is about on Windows, since that is outside the bounds of OS-specific complaints, but he mentioned it nonetheless since you asked about it.

I don't like the way Microsoft has lately begun treating both their devs and customers, but nevertheless they are a corporation - they have to someway make a profit - a business survives by adapting to their users and telemetry ("spyware") is data; data on which they (should) adapt to their user needs.

junk_disposal 10y ago
>data on which they (should) adapt to their user needs. Then make it optional. Or at least opt-out. Or say that if you don't enable telemetry, your opinion won't count. Or at least tell you what they're getting and how.
ben0x539 10y ago
The fact that you can spell out the motivation of someone's shitty behavior doesn't elevate it above criticism!

pjmlp 10y ago

> Spyware. Security. ... I hope you don't use web apps, ChromeOS or Android then.

em3rgent0rdr 10y ago
For web, I always have Privacy Badger + Ublock + ScriptSafe (which I selectively disable). For Android, Instead of StockRoms + GooglePlay I use Lineage + F-Droid (only open source apps). And on my ChromeOS labtop, I installed Parabola Linux (free-software-only version of Arch Linux).
- pjmlp 10y ago
  Regarding web, that is only partial security, as you cannot avoid everything that gets stored on the application servers.
- SippinLean 10y ago
  How is that philosophically different than using Windows with Spybot Anti-beacon (or similar telemetry-blocker)? You're critical of Windows for collecting data, but use other software that collects similar data, saying "that's fine I have 3rd-party privacy tools". These same tools have existed for Win10 since week 1.
  - 0x6c6f6c 10y ago
    > How is that philosophically different than using Windows He has entirely FOSS stacks for his devices? Quite literally no proprietary code wherever possible? They're not "3rd-party privacy tools" he's making a point of, outside of a browser which isn't what the complaint is about on Windows, since that is outside the bounds of OS-specific complaints, but he mentioned it nonetheless since you asked about it.