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A million people dying... from driving? That is an astonishing claim that would likely get the discoverer a nobel prize. Please provide the citation to the peer

by abtinf 10y ago

A million people dying... from driving? That is an astonishing claim that would likely get the discoverer a nobel prize. Please provide the citation to the peer reviewed paper in a major publication.

ButMyFavThing 10y ago
GOOGLE IT ASSHOLE.
brandur 10y ago
The OP is right, and actually understating it if anything. Here's a report from the WHO [1] where they cite 1.25 million from 2013. If anything, that number has probably increased significantly since then given the rapid industrialization (and automobilization) of developing countries, especially China. http://www.who.int/gho/road_safety/mortality/traffic_deaths_number/en/ http://www.who.int/gho/road_safety/mortality/traffic_deaths_...
flukus 10y ago
Isn't it 50,000 in the US alone? A million worldwide doesn't sound too exaggerated. And that's directly killed, not taking into account pollution and climate change.
- wtallis 10y ago
  The US peaked at a little over 50k per year, but is down to ~35k (and was lower a few years ago).
  - dashundchen 10y ago
    MIT estimates pollution from road vehicles causes 53k premature deaths per year in the US. http://news.mit.edu/2013/study-air-pollution-causes-200000-early-deaths-each-year-in-the-us-0829 http://news.mit.edu/2013/study-air-pollution-causes-200000-e... I wouldn't hesitate to guess sedentary auto-oriented lifestyles also have an enormous health cost, along with stress from road noise, traffic etc.
    - closeparen 10y ago
      If you're going to point to environmental stress, let's not forget that a stuffy, smelly subway car at rush hour pressed up against hundreds of strangers' bodies is also a less than ideal environment.
      - flukus 10y ago
        Stuffy and smelly has no correlation with toxic.
        khedoros1 10y ago
        How about with stress and transmission of disease?
        lorenzhs 10y ago
        See arjie's comment in another branch of the thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13666999 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13666999 Quoting the linked paper: > Conclusion: The home environment appears to play an > important role in the spread of influenza in adults, > but not the use of public transport. Personally, I find public transit much less stressful than driving in a large city. Probably because I'm used to one, but not the other.
        khedoros1 10y ago
        I wasn't trying to compare the stress of public transit to driving, just "stuffy and smelly" to "not stuffy and smelly". Arjie's government-funded study notwithstanding, it's common sense that you're more likely to get sick when being around sick people. Someone in the office gets sick? It spreads like wildfire, after that one borderline day that they decide to come in anyhow. How could it possibly be better, having much closer contact with many more people? > Personally, I find public transit much less stressful than driving in a large city. I'll agree with that, with the added asterisk that I try to avoid high-traffic times in both cases (and actually large cities in general).
nommm-nommm 10y ago
What's with the tone? Think about the people you know who "died too young." They probably died in a car accident. Vehicular crashes are the number 1 cause of death in the US among people 15-45 (or thereabouts). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision >Road injuries occurred in about 54 million people in 2013.[1] This resulted in 1.4 million deaths in 2013, up from 1.1 million deaths in 1990.[2] The citation: GBD 2013 Mortality and Causes of Death, Collaborators (17 December 2014). "Global, regional, and national age-sex specific all-cause and cause-specific mortality for 240 causes of death, 1990-2013: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2013.". Lancet. 385: 117–71. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(14)61682-2. PMC 4340604 . PMID 25530442.

by abtinf 10y ago

A million people dying... from driving? That is an astonishing claim that would likely get the discoverer a nobel prize. Please provide the citation to the peer reviewed paper in a major publication.

ButMyFavThing 10y ago

GOOGLE IT ASSHOLE.

brandur 10y ago

The OP is right, and actually understating it if anything. Here's a report from the WHO [1] where they cite 1.25 million from 2013. If anything, that number has probably increased significantly since then given the rapid industrialization (and automobilization) of developing countries, especially China. http://www.who.int/gho/road_safety/mortality/traffic_deaths_number/en/ http://www.who.int/gho/road_safety/mortality/traffic_deaths_...

flukus 10y ago

Isn't it 50,000 in the US alone? A million worldwide doesn't sound too exaggerated. And that's directly killed, not taking into account pollution and climate change.

wtallis 10y ago
The US peaked at a little over 50k per year, but is down to ~35k (and was lower a few years ago).
- dashundchen 10y ago
  MIT estimates pollution from road vehicles causes 53k premature deaths per year in the US. http://news.mit.edu/2013/study-air-pollution-causes-200000-early-deaths-each-year-in-the-us-0829 http://news.mit.edu/2013/study-air-pollution-causes-200000-e... I wouldn't hesitate to guess sedentary auto-oriented lifestyles also have an enormous health cost, along with stress from road noise, traffic etc.
  - closeparen 10y ago
    If you're going to point to environmental stress, let's not forget that a stuffy, smelly subway car at rush hour pressed up against hundreds of strangers' bodies is also a less than ideal environment.
    - flukus 10y ago
      Stuffy and smelly has no correlation with toxic.
      - khedoros1 10y ago
        How about with stress and transmission of disease?
        lorenzhs 10y ago
        See arjie's comment in another branch of the thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13666999 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13666999 Quoting the linked paper: > Conclusion: The home environment appears to play an > important role in the spread of influenza in adults, > but not the use of public transport. Personally, I find public transit much less stressful than driving in a large city. Probably because I'm used to one, but not the other.
        khedoros1 10y ago
        I wasn't trying to compare the stress of public transit to driving, just "stuffy and smelly" to "not stuffy and smelly". Arjie's government-funded study notwithstanding, it's common sense that you're more likely to get sick when being around sick people. Someone in the office gets sick? It spreads like wildfire, after that one borderline day that they decide to come in anyhow. How could it possibly be better, having much closer contact with many more people? > Personally, I find public transit much less stressful than driving in a large city. I'll agree with that, with the added asterisk that I try to avoid high-traffic times in both cases (and actually large cities in general).

nommm-nommm 10y ago

What's with the tone? Think about the people you know who "died too young." They probably died in a car accident. Vehicular crashes are the number 1 cause of death in the US among people 15-45 (or thereabouts). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision >Road injuries occurred in about 54 million people in 2013.[1] This resulted in 1.4 million deaths in 2013, up from 1.1 million deaths in 1990.[2] The citation: GBD 2013 Mortality and Causes of Death, Collaborators (17 December 2014). "Global, regional, and national age-sex specific all-cause and cause-specific mortality for 240 causes of death, 1990-2013: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2013.". Lancet. 385: 117–71. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(14)61682-2. PMC 4340604 . PMID 25530442.