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We've brought 3 billion people out of poverty in the last 30 years and haven't had a major-power war since WWII when we set up all these globalist institutition

by jbooth 10y ago

We've brought 3 billion people out of poverty in the last 30 years and haven't had a major-power war since WWII when we set up all these globalist institutitions. I'd say the record holds up pretty well.

aylmao 10y ago
Global cooperation/understanding and globalization are two very different things
srj 10y ago
You're arguing a collective good but many opponents of globalization are looking at it from an individual rather than collective point of view.
nodesocket 10y ago
Here is Peter Thiel talking about Globalization. I have not watch the entire video, but I've seen it mentioned for good points. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_3r49XXRw4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_3r49XXRw4
wu-ikkyu 10y ago
>We've brought 3 billion people out of poverty in the last 30 years and haven't had a major-power war since WWII when we set up all these globalist institutitions. What about the other 3 billion people left behind in poverty? That's more than what the total global population was when these "globalist institutions" were set up.
- jbooth 10y ago
  We've gone from 85% of the global population in extreme poverty to 25%. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/declining-global-poverty-share-1820-2015 https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/declining-global-poverty-...
  - wu-ikkyu 10y ago
    Percentages can be highly misleading because they abstract from the hard reality of absolute numbers. This is especially true when considering the exponential nature of population growth. The cited percentage change would be far more encouraging if population was constant, but it's not.
    - Shish2k 10y ago
      There's been a significant decrease in absolute numbers as well as percentage :) https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-population-in-extreme-poverty-absolute https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-population-in-extre...
      - wu-ikkyu 10y ago
        That graph is more informative. In terms of absolute numbers, extreme poverty has decreased by about 30% since 1820. I tried finding a similar graph/data set in regard to "regular" poverty (rather than "extreme") but couldn't find one. Does anyone have a source for the change in absolute numbers of regular poverty?

by jbooth 10y ago

aylmao 10y ago

Global cooperation/understanding and globalization are two very different things

srj 10y ago

You're arguing a collective good but many opponents of globalization are looking at it from an individual rather than collective point of view.

nodesocket 10y ago

Here is Peter Thiel talking about Globalization. I have not watch the entire video, but I've seen it mentioned for good points. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_3r49XXRw4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_3r49XXRw4

wu-ikkyu 10y ago

>We've brought 3 billion people out of poverty in the last 30 years and haven't had a major-power war since WWII when we set up all these globalist institutitions. What about the other 3 billion people left behind in poverty? That's more than what the total global population was when these "globalist institutions" were set up.

jbooth 10y ago
We've gone from 85% of the global population in extreme poverty to 25%. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/declining-global-poverty-share-1820-2015 https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/declining-global-poverty-...
- wu-ikkyu 10y ago
  Percentages can be highly misleading because they abstract from the hard reality of absolute numbers. This is especially true when considering the exponential nature of population growth. The cited percentage change would be far more encouraging if population was constant, but it's not.
  - Shish2k 10y ago
    There's been a significant decrease in absolute numbers as well as percentage :) https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-population-in-extreme-poverty-absolute https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-population-in-extre...
    - wu-ikkyu 10y ago
      That graph is more informative. In terms of absolute numbers, extreme poverty has decreased by about 30% since 1820. I tried finding a similar graph/data set in regard to "regular" poverty (rather than "extreme") but couldn't find one. Does anyone have a source for the change in absolute numbers of regular poverty?