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Why do so many feel this is exceptionally barbaric? More like exceptionally emotional. Really, I'm not trying to start an argument, but this tangent seems both

by menotu 16y ago

Why do so many feel this is exceptionally barbaric? More like exceptionally emotional. Really, I'm not trying to start an argument, but this tangent seems both off-topic and unappreciative of the fact that no country (AFAIK) is obligated to permit foreign visitors. That said, to the extent the US can encourage well intentioned, law abiding foreigners to visit, I believe that it significantly adds to the culture, economy and general health of the society. Besides, isn't the information exposed by a fingerprint a far cry from that exposed by DNA?

benologist 16y ago
It's barbaric because it's pointless and invasive. You're worried I might commit a crime? I don't recall seeing tourism cited as the reason your prisons are overflowing. But beyond that visas themselves are stupid. There is no humanity behind visas, just mindless and impersonal bureaucracy designed to protect us and our countries from nobody - they don't stop anyone with bad intentions, they don't stop anyone intending to stay illegally. All they do is artificially limit you whether it's in your exploration of a foreign culture or you're the founder of graphic.ly. I travel a lot, I love the world and I love seeing and being a part of as much of it as I can afford to. But I hate visas.
- jacquesm 16y ago
  And visas are a total waste of time to apply for and get as well as of money.
  - electromagnetic 16y ago
    Doing things the legal way left me unemployed for over a year and a half, however if I had done things the illegal way I could have been working that full year and still gotten in as a legal citizen without any consequences and it's that hypocritical bullshit of penalizing the law abiding immigrants as to why there are so many illegal immigrants. Someone from an economically poor background, from a country with a corrupt police system is never going to abide by an immigration law if it makes them poorer and looks more corrupt. It's asinine. It's also worth pointing out that Citizenship and Immigration Canada is currently facing a class action lawsuit for profiteering off of issuing visas when by law they can only serve them at cost.

by menotu 16y ago

benologist 16y ago

It's barbaric because it's pointless and invasive. You're worried I might commit a crime? I don't recall seeing tourism cited as the reason your prisons are overflowing. But beyond that visas themselves are stupid. There is no humanity behind visas, just mindless and impersonal bureaucracy designed to protect us and our countries from nobody - they don't stop anyone with bad intentions, they don't stop anyone intending to stay illegally. All they do is artificially limit you whether it's in your exploration of a foreign culture or you're the founder of graphic.ly. I travel a lot, I love the world and I love seeing and being a part of as much of it as I can afford to. But I hate visas.

jacquesm 16y ago
And visas are a total waste of time to apply for and get as well as of money.
- electromagnetic 16y ago
  Doing things the legal way left me unemployed for over a year and a half, however if I had done things the illegal way I could have been working that full year and still gotten in as a legal citizen without any consequences and it's that hypocritical bullshit of penalizing the law abiding immigrants as to why there are so many illegal immigrants. Someone from an economically poor background, from a country with a corrupt police system is never going to abide by an immigration law if it makes them poorer and looks more corrupt. It's asinine. It's also worth pointing out that Citizenship and Immigration Canada is currently facing a class action lawsuit for profiteering off of issuing visas when by law they can only serve them at cost.