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The translation is: my computer cannot grow your food today. It is not that i\we don't care, is that there is a mismatch in tools to solve the current problems.

The translation is: my computer cannot grow your food today. It is not that i\we don't care, is that there is a mismatch in tools to solve the current problems. My longview is pretty simple: We can do both. Just because some of us are working for a longer term goal doesn't give you any moral authority to demonize us. It is foolish and arrogant.

marknutter 10y ago
Translation: the ends justify the means.
- devopsproject 10y ago
  translation: People who work to future problems do not inhibit others from working on today's problems and those people are not blind or out of touch. Go browbeat someone else.
inimino 10y ago
Just because you are working for a long term (technological, scientistic) goal doesn't mean you are above the many different perspectives of the rest of the world. Some of those perspectives may be even longer-term than yours, and may be skeptical of promised future technological solutions to problems exacerbated by the technology we already have. What marknutter is highlighting is the need for a broader perspective. Many of these problems have been with us since the beginning of human history, and the only tools we need have always been within reach: human intelligence and effort. What is lacking is the moral and political will to solve them. It's not the tools we lack, it's responsibility in using the tools we already have.
- devopsproject 10y ago
  > Just because you are working for a long term (technological, scientistic) goal doesn't mean you are above the many different perspectives of the rest of the world. I've never implied this. You are making severe assumptions and putting words into my mouth
  - inimino 10y ago
    This is what you said above: > the feedback of the world at large would be terribly outdated and terribly mismatched.
    - devopsproject 10y ago
      Yes, because of the skill set mismatch. What is confusing about this? My supercomputer cannot feed you today. This isn't elitism, this is reality.
      - inimino 10y ago
        It comes across, in the context of the comment you replied to, as incredibly dismissive. If you can't see that, I can't make you see it. It also seems to imply that the rest of the world would tell you to stop working on your supercomputer and go deliver rice in Africa or something. This actually is elitist and condescending, as it assumes that just because people are starving today they would be unable to understand the value of your work. You should give the rest of the world more credit. That's the elitism.
        devopsproject 10y ago
        No, it isn't elitism. It is reality and your attempts to browbeat me are laughable at best. The only one showing elitism is you and people like you who seem to take perverse pleasure in trying to castigate others so you can feel superior. So until you start delivering bags of rice yourself or dedicate your life to non-profits and the collective good, remember that every time you point a finger three are pointing back at you.
        inimino 10y ago
        I'm criticizing ideas that you wrote on the Internet, not how you spend your time. Apart from the fact that you comment here, I have no way of knowing what you do with your hours.

marknutter 10y ago

Translation: the ends justify the means.

devopsproject 10y ago
translation: People who work to future problems do not inhibit others from working on today's problems and those people are not blind or out of touch. Go browbeat someone else.

inimino 10y ago

Just because you are working for a long term (technological, scientistic) goal doesn't mean you are above the many different perspectives of the rest of the world. Some of those perspectives may be even longer-term than yours, and may be skeptical of promised future technological solutions to problems exacerbated by the technology we already have. What marknutter is highlighting is the need for a broader perspective. Many of these problems have been with us since the beginning of human history, and the only tools we need have always been within reach: human intelligence and effort. What is lacking is the moral and political will to solve them. It's not the tools we lack, it's responsibility in using the tools we already have.

devopsproject 10y ago
> Just because you are working for a long term (technological, scientistic) goal doesn't mean you are above the many different perspectives of the rest of the world. I've never implied this. You are making severe assumptions and putting words into my mouth
- inimino 10y ago
  This is what you said above: > the feedback of the world at large would be terribly outdated and terribly mismatched.
  - devopsproject 10y ago
    Yes, because of the skill set mismatch. What is confusing about this? My supercomputer cannot feed you today. This isn't elitism, this is reality.
    - inimino 10y ago
      It comes across, in the context of the comment you replied to, as incredibly dismissive. If you can't see that, I can't make you see it. It also seems to imply that the rest of the world would tell you to stop working on your supercomputer and go deliver rice in Africa or something. This actually is elitist and condescending, as it assumes that just because people are starving today they would be unable to understand the value of your work. You should give the rest of the world more credit. That's the elitism.
      - devopsproject 10y ago
        No, it isn't elitism. It is reality and your attempts to browbeat me are laughable at best. The only one showing elitism is you and people like you who seem to take perverse pleasure in trying to castigate others so you can feel superior. So until you start delivering bags of rice yourself or dedicate your life to non-profits and the collective good, remember that every time you point a finger three are pointing back at you.
        inimino 10y ago
        I'm criticizing ideas that you wrote on the Internet, not how you spend your time. Apart from the fact that you comment here, I have no way of knowing what you do with your hours.