I had the Arcos product you mentioned. For those that are curious, this is what it looked like: https://www.amazon.com/Archos-Jukebox-6000-Player-Drive/dp/B0000

I had the Arcos product you mentioned. For those that are curious, this is what it looked like: https://www.amazon.com/Archos-Jukebox-6000-Player-Drive/dp/B000050NPX https://www.amazon.com/Archos-Jukebox-6000-Player-Drive/dp/B... It was not a superior product to the iPod. But I agree with your general point about there being a difference between "revolutionary" and excellent polish/UI/integration.