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Yet another reason never to sign up for Facebook.

by voxic11 10y ago

rc_bhg 10y ago
A fun prank: Create realistic facebook profiles for people you hate, and send links to CBP right before they travel.
- zackbrown 10y ago
  > A fun prank: Create realistic facebook profiles for people you hate, and send links to CBP right before they travel. During the Chinese cultural revolution in the 1960s, anyone could anonymously post the names of "people they hated" as suspected counter-revolutionaries on public bulletin boards. A "fun prank," maybe, except that many of those reported were executed. [1] This was contemporary with humans traveling into space. We're not out of the woods today—if anything, technology has raised the stakes. [1] https://books.google.com/books?id=AfIydrsE6aMC&pg=PA163&lpg=PA163&dq=china+cultural+revolution+bulletin+boards+counter-revolutionaries https://books.google.com/books?id=AfIydrsE6aMC&pg=PA163&lpg=...
- egman_ekki 10y ago
  it is illegal to create a profile for someone else, i.e. to impersonate someone: http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2011/11/fake-facebook-profile-is-id-theft-nj-judge.html http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2011/11/fake-facebook-profi...
Raphmedia 10y ago
Yet another reason never to enter the USA.
- Mikeb85 10y ago
  Canada requires this too. I'm sure other countries do as well.
- leesalminen 10y ago
  There's a show on Netflix that follows the Australian immigration cops. They go hard and frequently examine text messages, email, social, etc. for non resident entrants. If you think this is just the US, you are mistaken.
  - ythn 10y ago
    USA is a surveillance state. Here in UK we are much more progressive and respecting of peoples' privacy /s.
    - aw3c2 10y ago
      USA, Australia, UK, Canada (other comment branch). Sounds like the Five Eyes?
  - tom_mellior 10y ago
    > They go hard and frequently examine text messages, email, social, etc. for non resident entrants. Interesting. Do they ever find anything that's actually incriminating?
    - leesalminen 10y ago
      Normally it's young people entering Australia to work "under the table" and only have a student/tourist visa. They denied entry for this reason very frequently.
      - tom_mellior 10y ago
        You mean they actually find emails saying "good luck with your illegal work in Australia on a tourist visa, lol"?
        gambiting 10y ago
        No, but a text saying "we'll see you at work 8am on Monday" as you are entering Australia is probably good enough reason to be denied entry if you have a tourist visa.
tom_mellior 10y ago
That doesn't necessarily help. Many people have Facebook accounts with names that are not their "real name" as on their ID and plane ticket. If they want to, they'll just claim that you most likely do have an account and you're lying to them, and hold that against you. If you're a foreigner, there is no way to win this if they are determined to make you lose. US visas as well as the documents for the Visa Waiver program make it clear that even if you do have all that is required, you are not guaranteed entry to the United States. The officer on the border can turn you back on a whim, and you have no legal recourse. Presumably they have some internal controls, but that won't help you in particular.
- gregmac 10y ago
  > Many people have Facebook accounts with names that are not their "real name" as on their ID and plane ticket. If they want to, they'll just claim that you most likely do have an account and you're lying to them, and hold that against you. There is also a fairly good chance that someone else with your name does have a Facebook account, and I'm not sure how you'd prove that one of them isn't you. Even worse, someone could create a fake Facebook account with your name and picture, and put some pretty damaging stuff on it. How would you prove to customs that no that really isn't your account, none of the public posts are yours and you really, truly have no way of logging in? It's like Doxing or SWATing taken to the next level, but you could potentially end up in jail.
mirimir 10y ago
That's unworkable. OK, maybe Facebook. But going without social media is no longer workable. Too much depends on it: family, friends, education, work, etc. However, what is workable is keeping your social media clean. Compartmentalize anything questionable, anything potentially embarrassing etc, using pseudonyms. And compartmentalize those pseudonyms on separate hardware, and avoid linkage through IP address, activities, interests, friends, etc. Edit: It's cool to hear from itshoptx and gravypod that it's possible to go without mainstream social media.
- gravypod 10y ago
  Unless you call hacker news social media then you can definitely do it. I do it. I just call or text the people I care about when I'm thinking of them. Nothing is needed from social media.
  - Forbo 10y ago
    Yes, I love giving in to chilling effects that modify my behavior out of fear of consequences! Or perhaps a government shouldn't be party to my social life?
    - mirimir 10y ago
      I don't like it either. But it's irresponsible to counsel people in ways that set them up for suffering. Protesting should be a conscious choice.
    - gravypod 10y ago
      > chilling effects that modify my behavior I never modified my behavior. I just don't like the layout/UX of facebook/twitter. > out of fear of consequences This isn't being done for any specific reason, it's just a side effect of my dislike of their UI, management, and moderation. > Or perhaps a government shouldn't be party to my social life? If I'm texting, the government has it. I don't know what you are on about.
- itshoptx 10y ago

Yet another reason never to sign up for Facebook.

by voxic11 10y ago

Yet another reason never to sign up for Facebook.

rc_bhg 10y ago

A fun prank: Create realistic facebook profiles for people you hate, and send links to CBP right before they travel.

zackbrown 10y ago
> A fun prank: Create realistic facebook profiles for people you hate, and send links to CBP right before they travel. During the Chinese cultural revolution in the 1960s, anyone could anonymously post the names of "people they hated" as suspected counter-revolutionaries on public bulletin boards. A "fun prank," maybe, except that many of those reported were executed. [1] This was contemporary with humans traveling into space. We're not out of the woods today—if anything, technology has raised the stakes. [1] https://books.google.com/books?id=AfIydrsE6aMC&pg=PA163&lpg=PA163&dq=china+cultural+revolution+bulletin+boards+counter-revolutionaries https://books.google.com/books?id=AfIydrsE6aMC&pg=PA163&lpg=...
egman_ekki 10y ago
it is illegal to create a profile for someone else, i.e. to impersonate someone: http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2011/11/fake-facebook-profile-is-id-theft-nj-judge.html http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2011/11/fake-facebook-profi...

Raphmedia 10y ago

Yet another reason never to enter the USA.

Mikeb85 10y ago
Canada requires this too. I'm sure other countries do as well.
leesalminen 10y ago
There's a show on Netflix that follows the Australian immigration cops. They go hard and frequently examine text messages, email, social, etc. for non resident entrants. If you think this is just the US, you are mistaken.
- ythn 10y ago
  USA is a surveillance state. Here in UK we are much more progressive and respecting of peoples' privacy /s.
  - aw3c2 10y ago
    USA, Australia, UK, Canada (other comment branch). Sounds like the Five Eyes?
- tom_mellior 10y ago
  > They go hard and frequently examine text messages, email, social, etc. for non resident entrants. Interesting. Do they ever find anything that's actually incriminating?
  - leesalminen 10y ago
    Normally it's young people entering Australia to work "under the table" and only have a student/tourist visa. They denied entry for this reason very frequently.
    - tom_mellior 10y ago
      You mean they actually find emails saying "good luck with your illegal work in Australia on a tourist visa, lol"?
      - gambiting 10y ago
        No, but a text saying "we'll see you at work 8am on Monday" as you are entering Australia is probably good enough reason to be denied entry if you have a tourist visa.

tom_mellior 10y ago

That doesn't necessarily help. Many people have Facebook accounts with names that are not their "real name" as on their ID and plane ticket. If they want to, they'll just claim that you most likely do have an account and you're lying to them, and hold that against you. If you're a foreigner, there is no way to win this if they are determined to make you lose. US visas as well as the documents for the Visa Waiver program make it clear that even if you do have all that is required, you are not guaranteed entry to the United States. The officer on the border can turn you back on a whim, and you have no legal recourse. Presumably they have some internal controls, but that won't help you in particular.

gregmac 10y ago
> Many people have Facebook accounts with names that are not their "real name" as on their ID and plane ticket. If they want to, they'll just claim that you most likely do have an account and you're lying to them, and hold that against you. There is also a fairly good chance that someone else with your name does have a Facebook account, and I'm not sure how you'd prove that one of them isn't you. Even worse, someone could create a fake Facebook account with your name and picture, and put some pretty damaging stuff on it. How would you prove to customs that no that really isn't your account, none of the public posts are yours and you really, truly have no way of logging in? It's like Doxing or SWATing taken to the next level, but you could potentially end up in jail.

mirimir 10y ago

That's unworkable. OK, maybe Facebook. But going without social media is no longer workable. Too much depends on it: family, friends, education, work, etc. However, what is workable is keeping your social media clean. Compartmentalize anything questionable, anything potentially embarrassing etc, using pseudonyms. And compartmentalize those pseudonyms on separate hardware, and avoid linkage through IP address, activities, interests, friends, etc. Edit: It's cool to hear from itshoptx and gravypod that it's possible to go without mainstream social media.

gravypod 10y ago
Unless you call hacker news social media then you can definitely do it. I do it. I just call or text the people I care about when I'm thinking of them. Nothing is needed from social media.
- Forbo 10y ago
  Yes, I love giving in to chilling effects that modify my behavior out of fear of consequences! Or perhaps a government shouldn't be party to my social life?
  - mirimir 10y ago
    I don't like it either. But it's irresponsible to counsel people in ways that set them up for suffering. Protesting should be a conscious choice.
  - gravypod 10y ago
    > chilling effects that modify my behavior I never modified my behavior. I just don't like the layout/UX of facebook/twitter. > out of fear of consequences This isn't being done for any specific reason, it's just a side effect of my dislike of their UI, management, and moderation. > Or perhaps a government shouldn't be party to my social life? If I'm texting, the government has it. I don't know what you are on about.
itshoptx 10y ago