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> But before we do, take a moment to think about all the apps you have on your phone. Email? Facebook? Dropbox? Your browser? Signal? The history of everything

> But before we do, take a moment to think about all the apps you have on your phone. Email? Facebook? Dropbox? Your browser? Signal? The history of everything you’ve ever done — everything you’ve ever searched, and everything you’ve ever said to anyone — is right there in those apps. If you personally do not care about your privacy, why should someone else care?

dredmorbius 10y ago
Privacy is a right afforded others. Your particular risk model may or may not include CBP, both others' might. Immigration lawyers (for whom attorney-client privilege should hold), immigration NGO workers (for whom it almost certainly doesn't), journalists, asylees, among others. The protections which apply to you also apply to them, and aren't granted conditionally. Which is why, if you believe in civil liberties, liberal democracy, and freedom, you should fight like motherfucking hell for them. Unless, of course, you don't.
- drusepth 10y ago
  I mean, this whole thing sucks, but I can't think of any apps that I'd actually go through the inconvenience of uninstalling just so someone at border patrol can't see them, including "treasure troves" like Gmail/Drive. I'll just unlock my phone, let them look for whatever they're looking for, and carry on with my life. It's an invasion of privacy (to what extent is debatable, but I'd rather not make a stance there), but so is going through my luggage, x-rays, etc. I understand why they're there, and I have a tiny twinge of "what if they find something weird" every time I go through the airport, but I also trust the system (again, to some extent) and recognize why these processes exist. Fun fact: I've accidentally tried to go through security post-9/11 with a half-dozen hunting knives in my carry-on (after a camping trip) and they were very concerned at first, but just asked some questions, told me to throw them out, and let me through. Saying "if you've got nothing to hide, why worry?" is a trope by now, but I'm clearly not the person they're looking for and I'm not too worried about a mild, temporary inconvenience if they mistake me for a Bad Guy.
  - dredmorbius 10y ago
    The privacy you're divulging is far more than your own: https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/vv0bq6oia_06z_yjnmjwzw https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/vv0bq6oia_06z_yjnmjwzw
    - switchbak 10y ago
      Very interesting read. Shocking how G+ moves from "hey, you don't need to manage 100 logins" to "Hey shady people, come siphon data from people that don't understand privacy". The Android ecosystem had already gone down that rabbit hole years ago. I think we're at the stage where it doesn't seem like a commercial identity provider is going to look out for our privacy at all. Definitely a challenging space, but one where we can wrestle back a lot of privacy we've lost.
- jankotek 10y ago
  The problem here is you already gave access to your 'private' data to dozens private companies and whomever they forward it.

dredmorbius 10y ago

Privacy is a right afforded others. Your particular risk model may or may not include CBP, both others' might. Immigration lawyers (for whom attorney-client privilege should hold), immigration NGO workers (for whom it almost certainly doesn't), journalists, asylees, among others. The protections which apply to you also apply to them, and aren't granted conditionally. Which is why, if you believe in civil liberties, liberal democracy, and freedom, you should fight like motherfucking hell for them. Unless, of course, you don't.

drusepth 10y ago
I mean, this whole thing sucks, but I can't think of any apps that I'd actually go through the inconvenience of uninstalling just so someone at border patrol can't see them, including "treasure troves" like Gmail/Drive. I'll just unlock my phone, let them look for whatever they're looking for, and carry on with my life. It's an invasion of privacy (to what extent is debatable, but I'd rather not make a stance there), but so is going through my luggage, x-rays, etc. I understand why they're there, and I have a tiny twinge of "what if they find something weird" every time I go through the airport, but I also trust the system (again, to some extent) and recognize why these processes exist. Fun fact: I've accidentally tried to go through security post-9/11 with a half-dozen hunting knives in my carry-on (after a camping trip) and they were very concerned at first, but just asked some questions, told me to throw them out, and let me through. Saying "if you've got nothing to hide, why worry?" is a trope by now, but I'm clearly not the person they're looking for and I'm not too worried about a mild, temporary inconvenience if they mistake me for a Bad Guy.
- dredmorbius 10y ago
  The privacy you're divulging is far more than your own: https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/vv0bq6oia_06z_yjnmjwzw https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/vv0bq6oia_06z_yjnmjwzw
  - switchbak 10y ago
    Very interesting read. Shocking how G+ moves from "hey, you don't need to manage 100 logins" to "Hey shady people, come siphon data from people that don't understand privacy". The Android ecosystem had already gone down that rabbit hole years ago. I think we're at the stage where it doesn't seem like a commercial identity provider is going to look out for our privacy at all. Definitely a challenging space, but one where we can wrestle back a lot of privacy we've lost.
jankotek 10y ago
The problem here is you already gave access to your 'private' data to dozens private companies and whomever they forward it.