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Apple Worldwide Dev Conference 2017 announced
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- drfuchs 10y agoSan Jose, not San Francisco. That's quite a change.
- adamnemecek 10y agoI'm guessing it might be bigger as a result.
- aalfson 10y agoIt will be the thinnest, lightest, most powerful WWDC ever made.
- bhaavan 10y agoThere shall also not be a keynote. Courage.
- k-mcgrady 10y agoSupposedly the venue holds roughly the same number of people. The benefit for Apple is that their engineers don't need a full day away to come to the conference so they'll be able to send more engineers.
- pawadu 10y agobut if they send more engineers then they would need a larger venue, wouldn't they?
- masklinn 10y agoThe number of engineers is dwarfed by the number of attendees so not really. And they can rotate more engineers e.g. have people there for half a day, it's not wasted when it's a 5mn trip from HQ versus an hour drive to SF.
- ropiku 10y agoSadly looks like not. Both John Gruber and iMore spoke to Apple and it's not a bigger venue: > I asked whether the move to San Jose changed the number of people who’d be able to attend. Schiller said it did not — attendance will be about the same.
- bontoJR 10y agoI guess their conclusion is that this is the maximum size for the goal they want to achieve. Can it be bigger without having an impact on the quality of the event?
- allwein 10y agoThe venue itself is larger in square footage, roughly 550,000 compared to Moscone's 300,000. It also has a larger capacity for people and seating. That said, actual attendee count is likely to remain at around 5,000 people (per Gruber and iMore). The extra space does allow for more Apple engineers to attend and be present for labs, etc. Also keep in mind that last year they held the keynote in the Bill Graham Auditorium in San Francisco in order to support the extra amount of press, etc. that attends just the keynote. The San Jose center will be able to accommodate that extra amount of people who then disappear after the first 3 hours. So conclusion, yes, bigger venue, but they aren't using it to increase attendee count.
- analogmemory 10y agoPart of Moscone will be under construction. During the convention. I'm sure i'll be back there next year. Moscone North and South will be closed April-Auguest 2017. Moscone West will remain open and is fully booked. http://www.mosconeexpansion.com/faq http://www.mosconeexpansion.com/faq
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- lloydde 10y ago"Technology alone is not enough. Technology must intersect with the liberal arts ..." That leads dry, and not in a good developer dry way. Is this what Think Different looks like today? I liked last year's rainbow colored hello world https://web.archive.org/web/20170208203426/https://developer.apple.com/wwdc/ https://web.archive.org/web/20170208203426/https://developer... 2014 also looked to be a dry spell with an overly marketed message https://web.archive.org/web/20150302042653/https://developer.apple.com/wwdc/ https://web.archive.org/web/20150302042653/https://developer... EDIT: removed bombed joke.
- omni 10y ago> I'd also like to think that "liberal" there is to Bretix and Trump supporters know this event might not be for them. Bad Joke. "Liberal arts" is a term, it's not trying to say "art created by liberal people" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education
- lloydde 10y agoIt was a bad joke, though reality is often worse like how French sounding brands like French's Mustard declined in the US during the US Iraq war https://news.virginia.edu/content/study-tracks-us-boycott-french-sounding-products-during-2003-iraq-war https://news.virginia.edu/content/study-tracks-us-boycott-fr...
- jmduke 10y ago> That leads dry, and not in a good developer dry way. Is this what Think Different looks like today? This is a quote from Steve Jobs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlI1MR-qNt8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlI1MR-qNt8
- HugoDaniel 10y agoIt could be a sign that apple is aware that it needs to return to their origins
- ivm 10y ago> Technology alone is not enough. Technology must intersect with the liberal arts and the humanities, to create new ideas and experiences that push society forward. I hope it's not just a single conference theme. "Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical; our cleverness, hard and unkind.[0] We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost." – Charlie Chaplin, The Great Dictator (1940) [0]: http://blog.case.edu/think/2012/10/30/empathy_represses_analytic_thought_and_vice_versa http://blog.case.edu/think/2012/10/30/empathy_represses_anal...
- mikeash 10y agoThey've been repeating this mantra for years. It's definitely not just a single conference theme.
- djrogers 10y agoThis is based what Steve Jobs said on stage 6 years ago, and has been repeated and expanded on a bit many times since then. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AZeOhnTuq2I https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AZeOhnTuq2I
- ivm 10y agoStill makes me wonder if there's some new focused effort to make it more important for developers outside of the company. Because I missed it and I'm developing for Apple devices for the last 6 years. Probably they need to repeat it many times more often.
- illuminati1911 10y ago"Technology alone is not enough. Technology must intersect with the liberal arts and the humanities, to create new ideas and experiences that push society forward." sigh What a load of horse shit. Hopefully this doesn't mean there will be less tickets for developers available. If Apple wants to make event for designers then sure, just do it but don't fuck up Apple Worldwide DEVELOPERS conference.
- mikeash 10y agoApple has been saying this for years and years. If this surprises or scares you, you haven't been paying attention.
- jguimont 10y ago"Technology alone is not enough. Technology must intersect with the liberal arts ..." This was a quote by Steve Jobs if I remember correctly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlI1MR-qNt8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlI1MR-qNt8
- bontoJR 10y agoThe GTA (I) style website looks pretty cool! I had to say it...
- rrdharan 10y agoI think it's great that they're moving to San Jose. Probably just a drop in the bucket, but it'd be great for the Bay Area if San Jose were to increase in desirability relative to San Francisco. I've spent a few evenings in San Jose after Sharks games, and shows or conferences at the HP Pavilion. It always seemed to be punching below its weight. Off-hand though I don't see why San Jose can't become more attractive, considering Detroit and Pittsburgh seem to be pulling it off.
- dionidium 10y agoI don't know what drives others, but San Jose doesn't have any of the history, architecture, or institutions that made me fall in love with Pittsburgh and Detroit. And it certainly doesn't have any of the grit. San Francisco has those things in abundance.
- contergan 10y agoWhat exactly is "the grit"? The homeless people and crackheads?
- jdpedrie 10y agoIt's like pornography. You know it when you see it.
- koolba 10y agoI'd argue it's the reverse, you know when it's lacking.
- bluedino 10y agoSan Jose is boring, cookie-cutter suburbia.
- Reason077 10y agoRight. Nice place to live, but you wouldn't want to visit there. Unless it's for WWDC, of course!
- chris_7 10y agoSan Jose definitely decreases the appeal for me as someone that would have to fly in, pay for a hotel, etc. (would be good to also get a trip to a first-class metropolitan city) but I suppose they're not exactly short on demand... and the SF one didn't really appeal to me either given the cost (could go to Europe for vacation instead...).
- todd3834 10y agoWhile I understand why that might be, it seems like a relevant place to remind everyone that this event used to sell out in minutes (seconds?). Now there is a lottery system just to get in. The location of the venue will have no impact on their ability to fill every seat. Even if the venue was 10x larger and in leaky mineshaft… they would fill every seat.
- ghaff 10y agoYep. Apple needs a convention center of an appropriate size and they doubtless prefer, for their own convenience and reduced costs, to be in the Bay Area. The walkability, access to quality bars and restaurants, and general interestingness of the downtown is doubtless pretty far down their list of priorities.
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- santaclaus 10y agoIt will be interesting to see how this plays out in the 'after-hours' portion of the conference. I've been to large conferences that alternate between more accessible city centers (e.g. Vancouver) and more out of the way environs (e.g. Anaheim). I tend to get way more out of the more city-centered venues, due to the increased ease of attending events, parties, etc.
- OnlineSince1991 10y agoLast year's Dev Conference was really dissapointing.. When is Apple going to turn the tables once again like they did in 1984? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zfqw8nhUwA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zfqw8nhUwA
- technologyvault 10y agoI like the feel of San Jose for a dev conference. I've been to a conference there, and it was a pleasant environment.
- guptaneil 10y agoIn case people aren't familiar, while San Jose is indeed quiet compared to SF, it is actually the 10th largest city in the country (SF is #12). Of course, it's really sprawling so not as high density as other major cities, but not quite the sleepy "town" it's being described as in many places either.
- santaclaus 10y agoI briefly worked in downtown San Jose a few years back and it was hella sleepy... there were maybe two bars to get drinks at and really limited restaurant options (the burrito place with orange sauce in tubes was pretty good though)...
- guptaneil 10y agoLa Vic's (or La Victoria)! Love that place.
- nnd 10y agoWhat would be the benefit for an indie iOS developer to attend this event? Since all the tech talks from the conference are available online anyway, what would I gain from being there in person?
- gmcerveny 10y agoLabs. If you are getting deep into a framework you can usually go talk with the engineers that work on it.
- angry-hacker 10y agoImo it's all about networking and meeting new people. All the knowledge is always in front of your computer screen.
- fgblanch 10y agoThe design is very similar to a 2010 design of a Spanish designer. https://twitter.com/vladsavov/status/832238720250179585 https://twitter.com/vladsavov/status/832238720250179585
- insaneirish 10y ago> The design is a copycat from a 2010 design of a Spanish designer The same artist did the work: https://twitter.com/panzer/status/832254299862216704 https://twitter.com/panzer/status/832254299862216704
- fgblanch 10y agoThe 2010 poster was Rocio Ballesteros work http://www.rocioballesteros.com/home/13-festival-de-cine-de-malaga/ http://www.rocioballesteros.com/home/13-festival-de-cine-de-... UPDATE: Apparently she did it inspired by Geoff Mcfetridge's work, SO we have a circular reference lol
- crabstraggler 10y agobunch of fucking loser whiteknights. omg he copied PEOPLE. SHEEPLE.
- pvg 10y agoIt's not a circular reference, you just didn't know the original work and started accusing Apple's design of being a rip-off. That's simply 'getting it wrong' not 'circular reference'.
- fgblanch 10y agoApologies for that. I knew the 2010 piece was done by a Spanish designer and they looked extremely similar. What I did not know was that the 2010 designer was inspired in previous Geoff's work. The circular reference I was pointing out: Geoff's Work ->(inspired) Rocio's work -> (looks extremely similar to)-> Geoff's work Apologies for that.
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- PascLeRasc 10y ago$1599 for a ticket? Has it always been that inaccessible?
- eddieroger 10y agoIt has always been that price, yes. Inaccessible is a different metric - there are many who find that price reasonable for the knowledge and experiences you get at WWDC, like talking to Apple engineers directly about the products they're making. Inaccessible, relative to the fact that tickets sell to people who only want to be there for the keynote and see what iOS $NEXT will be, then only recently.
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- pvg 10y agoIt's cost that since 2010 and always sells out. The events are streamed live and available archived for free.
- PascLeRasc 10y agoOk, good point on the streaming.
- ghaff 10y agoThat's a pretty standard range for a largish tech conference.
- WhitneyLand 10y agoWhen I attended in 2011 it was Steve Jobs last WWDC and nice to get a chance to hear him in person, the last chance to check off an almost canonical requirement for people on the tech/startup path. As there was 100% sell out that year yet again in a matter of minutes I've wondered how closely WWDC speed of seats sold correlates to Apple's mind share. I guess we'll see over time as fortunes change hands.
- equalarrow 10y agoThis is bummer news for me. My whole team is based out of SF so we have to dral with Caltrain or drive. :( Plus, there is just not much to do in downtown SJ. There's only one part of Moscone that's being renovated and Apple never used that bldg anyway. This year will definitely not have the same after conference vibe as years before.
- bluthru 10y agoAbout 40% of the people on this poster are black. Why? That doesn't represent the population of the US, attendants at WWDC, or worldwide developers. What's the motivation?