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I met a woman at an amusement park last year who was certain that her child became autistic immediately after receiving immunization shots. She was wearing a sh

I met a woman at an amusement park last year who was certain that her child became autistic immediately after receiving immunization shots. She was wearing a shirt advertising this movie: http://vaxxedthemovie.com/ http://vaxxedthemovie.com/ It seems like this research (if it's proven to be accurate consistently) could be instrumental in either putting that idea to rest or validating it.

lloydde 10y ago
It's not an idea that needs putting to rest. There is no legitimate research that supports such causation. "Validation" would invalidate the existing body of research, which is improbable.
- prakashrj 10y ago
  Why research has to validate everything? These are facts that children are regressing into Autism after MMR at 15 months. Science still doesn't know how food gets digested and becomes poop. Will you stop eating, because science doesn't know what really happens during digestion?
  - cr0sh 10y ago
    > Science still doesn't know how food gets digested and becomes poop. You're going to really need to provide some kind of evidence for this, because I'm pretty certain that scientists do have a pretty good idea how this process works. For that matter, I could give you a layman's explanation that, while it may not be 100% accurate, probably would come really close to a real explanation...
  - bbcbasic 10y ago
    These are facts that children are regressing into Autism after X at 15 months: Choose your X: Stop breastfeeding Start walking Start playing in the park Start eating solids Start throwing tantrums
  - Klinky 10y ago
    Are you really saying "don't trust science, but do trust this scientific study that vaccines cause autism"? You're undermining your own argument.
    - 0xcde4c3db 10y ago
      I think the logic goes something like this (not limited to anti-vax folks by any means): P: If my belief is false, I have no explanation for my experience. P: Losing the explanation that I've used to validate my experience would be deeply uncomfortable. C: My belief is true. P: This scientific study agrees with my belief. C: This scientific study is true.
prakashrj 10y ago
For me this research actually validates the link. Because MMR vaccination is given at 15 months. Parents strongly suspect link between MMR and Autism, not all vaccinations as popularly believed. Following is vaccination schedule. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolesc...
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- kolinko 10y ago
  Someone explained to you already, in a different thread - this is just accidental correlation. We know it because children who didn't get the vaccine show Autism symptoms around the same time.
  - pdx 10y ago
    > We know it because children who didn't get the vaccine > show Autism symptoms around the same time. That, my friend, is you making shit up. I know that you made it up, because such a study, comparing autism rates in vaccinated and unvaccinated children has never been done, despite a huge number of people asking for it.
    - Arcsech 10y ago
      You mean like this one? https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2275444 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2275444 Finding that took 15 seconds on Google.
    - rosser 10y ago
      http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2275444 http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2275444 Does a study with an N of > 95k, including vaccinated and unvaccinated children with autistic siblings, count?
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SquareWheel 10y ago
This movie has been absolutely panned by the scientific community. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/andrew-wakefields-vaxxed-antivaccine-propaganda-at-its-most-pernicious/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/andrew-wakefields-vaxxed-an... Though I appreciate your optimism, there's no amount of evidence that could convince anti-vaxxers at this point.
- dllthomas 10y ago
  Maybe not existing anti-vaxxers, but we might stop making as many new ones if we are able to tell people their child is autistic before it has been administered the any of the vaccines they are skeptical of.
BurningFrog 10y ago
Autism starts showing at about the same age that kids get vaccinated.

lloydde 10y ago

It's not an idea that needs putting to rest. There is no legitimate research that supports such causation. "Validation" would invalidate the existing body of research, which is improbable.

prakashrj 10y ago
Why research has to validate everything? These are facts that children are regressing into Autism after MMR at 15 months. Science still doesn't know how food gets digested and becomes poop. Will you stop eating, because science doesn't know what really happens during digestion?
- cr0sh 10y ago
  > Science still doesn't know how food gets digested and becomes poop. You're going to really need to provide some kind of evidence for this, because I'm pretty certain that scientists do have a pretty good idea how this process works. For that matter, I could give you a layman's explanation that, while it may not be 100% accurate, probably would come really close to a real explanation...
- bbcbasic 10y ago
  These are facts that children are regressing into Autism after X at 15 months: Choose your X: Stop breastfeeding Start walking Start playing in the park Start eating solids Start throwing tantrums
- Klinky 10y ago
  Are you really saying "don't trust science, but do trust this scientific study that vaccines cause autism"? You're undermining your own argument.
  - 0xcde4c3db 10y ago
    I think the logic goes something like this (not limited to anti-vax folks by any means): P: If my belief is false, I have no explanation for my experience. P: Losing the explanation that I've used to validate my experience would be deeply uncomfortable. C: My belief is true. P: This scientific study agrees with my belief. C: This scientific study is true.

prakashrj 10y ago

For me this research actually validates the link. Because MMR vaccination is given at 15 months. Parents strongly suspect link between MMR and Autism, not all vaccinations as popularly believed. Following is vaccination schedule. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolesc...

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kolinko 10y ago
Someone explained to you already, in a different thread - this is just accidental correlation. We know it because children who didn't get the vaccine show Autism symptoms around the same time.
- pdx 10y ago
  > We know it because children who didn't get the vaccine > show Autism symptoms around the same time. That, my friend, is you making shit up. I know that you made it up, because such a study, comparing autism rates in vaccinated and unvaccinated children has never been done, despite a huge number of people asking for it.
  - Arcsech 10y ago
    You mean like this one? https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2275444 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2275444 Finding that took 15 seconds on Google.
  - rosser 10y ago
    http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2275444 http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2275444 Does a study with an N of > 95k, including vaccinated and unvaccinated children with autistic siblings, count?
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SquareWheel 10y ago

This movie has been absolutely panned by the scientific community. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/andrew-wakefields-vaxxed-antivaccine-propaganda-at-its-most-pernicious/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/andrew-wakefields-vaxxed-an... Though I appreciate your optimism, there's no amount of evidence that could convince anti-vaxxers at this point.

dllthomas 10y ago
Maybe not existing anti-vaxxers, but we might stop making as many new ones if we are able to tell people their child is autistic before it has been administered the any of the vaccines they are skeptical of.

BurningFrog 10y ago

Autism starts showing at about the same age that kids get vaccinated.