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This list is woefully incomplete. It should be titled "A Review of Some Tools". Those it doesn't include, or does not give proper mention to in its top table, a

by vonnik 10y ago

This list is woefully incomplete. It should be titled "A Review of Some Tools". Those it doesn't include, or does not give proper mention to in its top table, are: Chainer, DyNet, Paddle and Deeplearning4j.[0] Even Keras, the third most popular DL library, is given short shrift, even though it is easier to use than TensorFlow, and can handle Theano, TF, CNTK and Deeplearning4j as backends. All of the missing libs have significant advantages over TensorFlow, which appears to be winning chiefly on Github stars. Notably speed and integrations. [0] https://deeplearning4j.org/ https://deeplearning4j.org/ http://chainer.org/ http://chainer.org/ https://github.com/clab/dynet https://github.com/clab/dynet https://github.com/PaddlePaddle/Paddle https://github.com/PaddlePaddle/Paddle

mrubashkin 10y ago
Hi Vonnik, thanks for the suggestions of tools for us to try out next and add to our list!
curuinor 10y ago
Chainer is about 50k sloc of very idiomatic Python and a little dealie for emulating numpy in GPU and a bit of Cython. TensorFlow is about 700k sloc of C++, Python, some Golang for some godawful reason, with an enormous annoying build dealie. That was my own decision calculus, anyhow. Speed of development and complexity still matter in machine learning land, you know.
- curuinor 10y ago
  One more objectionable fact about TF: There's a separate better documentation repo for Google insiders only. That's not kosher.
  - dontreact 10y ago
    How do you think it's better? I use both the internal and external and the only difference is that there are more Google-infra specific things internally. The external one is prettier :)
    - curuinor 10y ago
      It is definitely the case that a fair few of those 700k sloc are devoted to poking at and wibbling with Google infra specific things. Which is of basically negative value if you're some rando using it. There are also a fair few non-infra specific bits to the internal documentation.
- nnq 10y ago
  > some Golang for some godawful reason What's the problem with Golang in TF? It's one of the nice to work in languages and I imagine that Google sees Golang as somehting that will replace Python sometime long term...
chewxy 10y ago
I also wanna add Gorgonia (https://github.com/chewxy/gorgonia https://github.com/chewxy/gorgonia) - it's not quite production ready on the GPU end, but on the CPU end I've been using it for about 4 years.
sdrothrock 10y ago
> TensorFlow, which appears to be winning chiefly on Github stars I was under the impression that a lot of TensorFlow's reputation and image comes from the fact that it's Google-backed and -dogfooded, meaning that it will stay in active and useful development for the foreseeable future.

by vonnik 10y ago

mrubashkin 10y ago

Hi Vonnik, thanks for the suggestions of tools for us to try out next and add to our list!

curuinor 10y ago

Chainer is about 50k sloc of very idiomatic Python and a little dealie for emulating numpy in GPU and a bit of Cython. TensorFlow is about 700k sloc of C++, Python, some Golang for some godawful reason, with an enormous annoying build dealie. That was my own decision calculus, anyhow. Speed of development and complexity still matter in machine learning land, you know.

curuinor 10y ago
One more objectionable fact about TF: There's a separate better documentation repo for Google insiders only. That's not kosher.
- dontreact 10y ago
  How do you think it's better? I use both the internal and external and the only difference is that there are more Google-infra specific things internally. The external one is prettier :)
  - curuinor 10y ago
    It is definitely the case that a fair few of those 700k sloc are devoted to poking at and wibbling with Google infra specific things. Which is of basically negative value if you're some rando using it. There are also a fair few non-infra specific bits to the internal documentation.
nnq 10y ago
> some Golang for some godawful reason What's the problem with Golang in TF? It's one of the nice to work in languages and I imagine that Google sees Golang as somehting that will replace Python sometime long term...

chewxy 10y ago

I also wanna add Gorgonia (https://github.com/chewxy/gorgonia https://github.com/chewxy/gorgonia) - it's not quite production ready on the GPU end, but on the CPU end I've been using it for about 4 years.

sdrothrock 10y ago

> TensorFlow, which appears to be winning chiefly on Github stars I was under the impression that a lot of TensorFlow's reputation and image comes from the fact that it's Google-backed and -dogfooded, meaning that it will stay in active and useful development for the foreseeable future.