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It shouldn't ever take that much. This is an example of what a 64kB executable could accomplish in 2016: Darkness Lay Your Eyes Upon Me - Conspiracy - Revisio

It shouldn't ever take that much. This is an example of what a 64kB executable could accomplish in 2016: Darkness Lay Your Eyes Upon Me - Conspiracy - Revision 2016 64k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SEGm2lUSY0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SEGm2lUSY0 http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=67106 http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=67106 After watching a few 64k demoscene demos, a 380MB Electron-based minimalist text editor just seems horribly bloated. (I'm currently writing a cross-platform Windows/Linux/Mac GUI app in Xojo, and the macOS version is 11.6MB at the moment.)

16bytes 10y ago
The demoscene relies heavily on procedural generation to cram a lot into a little tiny executable. GUI toolkits aren't comparable in this regard.
- beagle3 10y ago
  Yes, they are. There are small, concise GUI toolkits that go a long way in a small volume. I am very fond of FLTK, which IIRC produced standalone (depending only on system libraries) fast, tens-of-widget-types featured executables at ~200k on each of Win, Linux and Mac. Adding Unicode support (independent of the Platform) probably bloats every executable an additional 100k. The horror.
- tomcam 10y ago
  Red-Lang.org should convince you otherwise
sigzero 10y ago
How do you like Xojo? I've toyed with the idea of giving it a whirl.
- SyneRyder 10y ago
  I like it a lot, I find it really fast to prototype ideas & get something working. I mostly use it for in-house utility tools (business dashboards, small database stuff) where I wanted the business to be platform agnostic but still native. There's an ecosystem of plugins to extend the built-in Xojo controls (like Delphi has), mostly from MonkeyBread Software and Einhugur Software. It reminds me of the early pre-corporate Delphi days. I love that Xojo's IDE is cross-platform too, and that I can make my Windows & Linux builds from the Mac IDE. It's been easier for me than Qt anyway, and without any of the licensing or renewal issues.

16bytes 10y ago

The demoscene relies heavily on procedural generation to cram a lot into a little tiny executable. GUI toolkits aren't comparable in this regard.

beagle3 10y ago
Yes, they are. There are small, concise GUI toolkits that go a long way in a small volume. I am very fond of FLTK, which IIRC produced standalone (depending only on system libraries) fast, tens-of-widget-types featured executables at ~200k on each of Win, Linux and Mac. Adding Unicode support (independent of the Platform) probably bloats every executable an additional 100k. The horror.
tomcam 10y ago
Red-Lang.org should convince you otherwise

sigzero 10y ago

How do you like Xojo? I've toyed with the idea of giving it a whirl.

SyneRyder 10y ago
I like it a lot, I find it really fast to prototype ideas & get something working. I mostly use it for in-house utility tools (business dashboards, small database stuff) where I wanted the business to be platform agnostic but still native. There's an ecosystem of plugins to extend the built-in Xojo controls (like Delphi has), mostly from MonkeyBread Software and Einhugur Software. It reminds me of the early pre-corporate Delphi days. I love that Xojo's IDE is cross-platform too, and that I can make my Windows & Linux builds from the Mac IDE. It's been easier for me than Qt anyway, and without any of the licensing or renewal issues.