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Well, this anti-environmental attitude of theirs is clearly visible in their design already. I.e. the fact that you can't take out (and replace) the battery. It

Well, this anti-environmental attitude of theirs is clearly visible in their design already. I.e. the fact that you can't take out (and replace) the battery. It also means that you can't interrupt power supply, which means you remain trackable 100% of the time you are an Apple customer.

stephenr 10y ago
All their batteries are replaceable, just not user replaceable.
- brokenmachine 10y ago
  Pretty bizarre correction there. If you've ever done it, you will quickly realize that it's obviously been designed as a non-replaceable item. It's a unnecessarily delicate operation, just to replace a battery!
  - stephenr 10y ago
    Any Apple Store will replace the battery in any Apple device for you, at the cost of the new battery. Theyre not designed to be user replaceable, no. They also don't need the extra packaging and associated cruft that user replaceable batteries have, so they can be shaped to fit device shapes, and sized to give maximum charge capacity.
    - mirimir 10y ago
      Even if it's out of warranty?
      - stephenr 10y ago
        It's a paid service unrelated to warranty.
        mirimir 10y ago
        Wow! I am impressed!
    - brokenmachine 10y ago
      > at the cost of the new battery. Lol, the person who I did it for (this was a while ago) was told $150 to replace the battery in her old iphone. I bought a battery on ebay for $5, delivered from China, including the tools I needed, and did it for her. It was nerve wracking, quite delicate and fiddly and easy to break something. The first time I forgot to reconnect the tiny microphone flex cable so I had to open it up again to reconnect it, but I got there in the end. She was very happy but I wouldn't do it again for someone. TLDR: quoted $150 at Apple store, did it for $5 and about 30 minutes of hassle. Apple is a planned obsolescence scam.
      - stephenr 10y ago
        And of course there's never been dodgy Chinese ripoff copies of "expensive" items that look the same but are likely to fucking kill you.
        brokenmachine 10y ago
        Are you seriously claiming a phone battery legitimately costs $150? I could understand maybe up to $30, if we're only talking about the cost of the battery, as was your claim. It's blatant price gouging to sell new phones.
        stephenr 10y ago
        > https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-power https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-power $79. When their MacBook batteries changed to be non-user-replaceable, the price didn't change a cent, but included free installation.

stephenr 10y ago

All their batteries are replaceable, just not user replaceable.

brokenmachine 10y ago
Pretty bizarre correction there. If you've ever done it, you will quickly realize that it's obviously been designed as a non-replaceable item. It's a unnecessarily delicate operation, just to replace a battery!
- stephenr 10y ago
  Any Apple Store will replace the battery in any Apple device for you, at the cost of the new battery. Theyre not designed to be user replaceable, no. They also don't need the extra packaging and associated cruft that user replaceable batteries have, so they can be shaped to fit device shapes, and sized to give maximum charge capacity.
  - mirimir 10y ago
    Even if it's out of warranty?
    - stephenr 10y ago
      It's a paid service unrelated to warranty.
      - mirimir 10y ago
        Wow! I am impressed!
  - brokenmachine 10y ago
    > at the cost of the new battery. Lol, the person who I did it for (this was a while ago) was told $150 to replace the battery in her old iphone. I bought a battery on ebay for $5, delivered from China, including the tools I needed, and did it for her. It was nerve wracking, quite delicate and fiddly and easy to break something. The first time I forgot to reconnect the tiny microphone flex cable so I had to open it up again to reconnect it, but I got there in the end. She was very happy but I wouldn't do it again for someone. TLDR: quoted $150 at Apple store, did it for $5 and about 30 minutes of hassle. Apple is a planned obsolescence scam.
    - stephenr 10y ago
      And of course there's never been dodgy Chinese ripoff copies of "expensive" items that look the same but are likely to fucking kill you.
      - brokenmachine 10y ago
        Are you seriously claiming a phone battery legitimately costs $150? I could understand maybe up to $30, if we're only talking about the cost of the battery, as was your claim. It's blatant price gouging to sell new phones.
        stephenr 10y ago
        > https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-power https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-power $79. When their MacBook batteries changed to be non-user-replaceable, the price didn't change a cent, but included free installation.