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See also the documentary 9500 Liberty. I believe you can find it free online legally.[0] TL;DR: Prince Cook County in Virginia instituted a similar check requ

by swang 10y ago

See also the documentary 9500 Liberty. I believe you can find it free online legally.[0] TL;DR: Prince Cook County in Virginia instituted a similar check required by police officers to ask for legality if there was "probably cause." The Police Chief was against it but when it was enacted, enforced the law. This caused a bunch of the immigrant families living there to leave, thus nearly crushing the entire county's economy. You get hot takes like "9/11 was caused by illegals" and people saying they wanted to get rid of those who are, "Speaking Spanish, playing Latin music, owning a chicken, growing corn, not having health insurance" And also a whole bunch of people essentially saying, "i'm not racist, but..." [0] https://vimeo.com/128386646 https://vimeo.com/128386646

candiodari 10y ago
You also get a lot of people saying that the lax immigration is specifically designed so that farmers (and restaurants, and even private persons) could exploit labor instead of paying livable wages. Since lax immigration's net result is a serious deterioration in labor conditions, it shouldn't exist. And frankly, let's just not pretend this i meant to increase the chances those people have in life, therefore it should not be done. These people would generally be referred to as "leftists". And please just don't make the argument that people should "allow" themselves to be exploited if they want to. It should simply not be possible to exploit labor. That means no illegals and strict enforcement of immigration laws, especially against employers. Immigration laws protect people, among other things, against competing in a global labor market. Why ? Because global labor conditions are disgustingly bad. Global median wage is $18000 PPP dollars (yearly). There are 2 terms that require definition. Firstly median means 50% make less than that and you should generally expect to make slightly less than that if you're not exceptional. Second is PPP dollars. The "real" global wage in real dollars is about $3000, but because bread is generally cheaper outside of developed economies. To put it inaccurately but easily, you can buy $3000 worth of iPads with PPP dollars, but $18000 worth of bread. If you are unwilling to work for a yearly wage of somewhere between $3k and $18k, and you think the law needs to prevent such a situation from arising, then part of that law needs to be that illegal immigrants can't work in the US. Otherwise such a law is crippled/sabotaged. I get that the "gig economy" cannot exist under those conditions. And that you will have to walk 200m if you want pizza in the weekend, or pay 40$ or so for that pizza. That's what it takes for everyone to be able to live, and the gig economy, frankly, deserves to be laid waste.

by swang 10y ago

candiodari 10y ago

You also get a lot of people saying that the lax immigration is specifically designed so that farmers (and restaurants, and even private persons) could exploit labor instead of paying livable wages. Since lax immigration's net result is a serious deterioration in labor conditions, it shouldn't exist. And frankly, let's just not pretend this i meant to increase the chances those people have in life, therefore it should not be done. These people would generally be referred to as "leftists". And please just don't make the argument that people should "allow" themselves to be exploited if they want to. It should simply not be possible to exploit labor. That means no illegals and strict enforcement of immigration laws, especially against employers. Immigration laws protect people, among other things, against competing in a global labor market. Why ? Because global labor conditions are disgustingly bad. Global median wage is $18000 PPP dollars (yearly). There are 2 terms that require definition. Firstly median means 50% make less than that and you should generally expect to make slightly less than that if you're not exceptional. Second is PPP dollars. The "real" global wage in real dollars is about $3000, but because bread is generally cheaper outside of developed economies. To put it inaccurately but easily, you can buy $3000 worth of iPads with PPP dollars, but $18000 worth of bread. If you are unwilling to work for a yearly wage of somewhere between $3k and $18k, and you think the law needs to prevent such a situation from arising, then part of that law needs to be that illegal immigrants can't work in the US. Otherwise such a law is crippled/sabotaged. I get that the "gig economy" cannot exist under those conditions. And that you will have to walk 200m if you want pizza in the weekend, or pay 40$ or so for that pizza. That's what it takes for everyone to be able to live, and the gig economy, frankly, deserves to be laid waste.