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The biggest reason for this is that some employers are nasty exploiters. I'd like to make-believe that everyone treats each other well, but it just isn't so. Th

The biggest reason for this is that some employers are nasty exploiters. I'd like to make-believe that everyone treats each other well, but it just isn't so. The laws aren't designed to accuse everyone, but to protect future workers from suffering a similar fate. So you wind up getting laws designed so that employers need to be fair when firing, allowing folks time off after pregnancy (including men), allowing folks to stay home when they are sick, and making sure folks can try to correct their ways before getting fired. And contrary to your belief, enforcement of laws seems to happen here (norway). Temp agencies seem to be much more used than they were in the US.. and weirdly less predatory to the worker. It still sucks only having a temp job, but that's how a lot of folks get started working here.

maverick_iceman 10y ago
Sure some (I'd grant even a majority) employers are nasty exploiters. But let the employees handle them. They are adults, they can make their own decisions. I don't see why the government has to play mommy.
- Broken_Hippo 10y ago
  How do you expect they do that? Do you have example where it works out for the people being treated badly now? Would a lawsuit work if there aren't laws to protect you? What sort of decision is it when you have to stay home with your sick child while knowing you could lose your job or have your hours cut because of it? Is there recourse when an employer reports you were fired, even though you put in your notice? There aren't remedies for these folks in the states Now. If all people had that power, they'd be more likely to use it. Unfortunately, you have to have a bit of privilege to pull it off when there aren't laws to protect you (and sometimes when there are).
  - candiodari 10y ago
    You limit the supply of labor by having strong support for the jobless. And while I realize that this is controversial, but in order for this to work 2 other conditions are necessary: 1) limit immigration 2) throw the book at any employer caught employing illegal immigrants (because they're not doing it to help the illegal immigrants)
- literallycancer 10y ago
  The employees handled them. They handled them by voting in a government that passed the labor regulation that forbids employers from firing people because they feel like it. Sans the (many) inefficiencies, the government is basically an expression of the collective will.
ptaipale 10y ago
Of course some employers are nasty exploiters. However, treating all employers as nasty exploiters then means that more of them will have to act such. A better recourse would be to ensure the labour market works, so that the nasty exploiters lose employees and have to start behave themselves.

maverick_iceman 10y ago

Sure some (I'd grant even a majority) employers are nasty exploiters. But let the employees handle them. They are adults, they can make their own decisions. I don't see why the government has to play mommy.

Broken_Hippo 10y ago
How do you expect they do that? Do you have example where it works out for the people being treated badly now? Would a lawsuit work if there aren't laws to protect you? What sort of decision is it when you have to stay home with your sick child while knowing you could lose your job or have your hours cut because of it? Is there recourse when an employer reports you were fired, even though you put in your notice? There aren't remedies for these folks in the states Now. If all people had that power, they'd be more likely to use it. Unfortunately, you have to have a bit of privilege to pull it off when there aren't laws to protect you (and sometimes when there are).
- candiodari 10y ago
  You limit the supply of labor by having strong support for the jobless. And while I realize that this is controversial, but in order for this to work 2 other conditions are necessary: 1) limit immigration 2) throw the book at any employer caught employing illegal immigrants (because they're not doing it to help the illegal immigrants)
literallycancer 10y ago
The employees handled them. They handled them by voting in a government that passed the labor regulation that forbids employers from firing people because they feel like it. Sans the (many) inefficiencies, the government is basically an expression of the collective will.

ptaipale 10y ago

Of course some employers are nasty exploiters. However, treating all employers as nasty exploiters then means that more of them will have to act such. A better recourse would be to ensure the labour market works, so that the nasty exploiters lose employees and have to start behave themselves.