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I love CSD... and I use XMonad. I had to figure out how to not render their own shadow, and to disable the "Close" and "Maximize" buttons and edit the Gtk/Deco

I love CSD... and I use XMonad. I had to figure out how to not render their own shadow, and to disable the "Close" and "Maximize" buttons and edit the Gtk/DecorationLayout property to taste, but I really appreciate the nice simplified menus they bring, and the removal of the bloated menu bars. They are more usable, specially on a small screen when the window is not full screen (on a tile on the side). I also like CSD when I have to use Gnome itself for the bigger dragging area. Traditional menu bars and title bars is poor UX just to enable certain programming decoupled. Now the the abstractions have evolved and we have widget toolkits and the abstraction is provided without compromising the UX. I am sorry you got used to that. You may still use KDE or something else. But some of us really like what GTK and GNOME people are doing. I know the noisiest voices are the critical ones, so here is a reminder: there are plenty of happy users that love the work you are doing. Thanks a lot, I love you for making my computer work better every day, and with Free Software!

byuu 10y ago
I mean, it was great when CSD fans had their Gnome 3, and title/menubar fans had their Xfce. The points I listed aren't just "harumph I don't like change!" complaints, they're actual usability issues for me. I will agree the CSD approach is nicer for tablets and for "less bloat"; but I like the "more power" of a proper menu and toolbar more. It's too bad we can't both be happy. I don't have the resources to develop an entire desktop environment on top of all the projects I'm already working on =(
- unhammer 10y ago
  I use the "hide titlebar when maximised" option in XFCE. I'd actually prefer hiding it when "snapped" to either side too. Thinking about it, since I tend to use Alt+mousedrag to move and alt+f10 to (un)maximise, I don't think there's a point in having a titlebar for me …
- arximboldi 10y ago
  That puts things into perspective... and I agree that in the end, with these unresolvable positions, at least with Free Software we get some degree of freedom of choice :) Now that Xfce is being Gnome-ized, have you considered this: http://lxde.org/ http://lxde.org/? Maybe it suits your taste (lightweight, no CSD).

byuu 10y ago

I mean, it was great when CSD fans had their Gnome 3, and title/menubar fans had their Xfce. The points I listed aren't just "harumph I don't like change!" complaints, they're actual usability issues for me. I will agree the CSD approach is nicer for tablets and for "less bloat"; but I like the "more power" of a proper menu and toolbar more. It's too bad we can't both be happy. I don't have the resources to develop an entire desktop environment on top of all the projects I'm already working on =(

unhammer 10y ago
I use the "hide titlebar when maximised" option in XFCE. I'd actually prefer hiding it when "snapped" to either side too. Thinking about it, since I tend to use Alt+mousedrag to move and alt+f10 to (un)maximise, I don't think there's a point in having a titlebar for me …
arximboldi 10y ago
That puts things into perspective... and I agree that in the end, with these unresolvable positions, at least with Free Software we get some degree of freedom of choice :) Now that Xfce is being Gnome-ized, have you considered this: http://lxde.org/ http://lxde.org/? Maybe it suits your taste (lightweight, no CSD).