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As a bit of a veteran in the database industry, I concur (at least about the impact on Oracle's database business). There is a lot of pent-up demand for anythin

by jchrisa 10y ago

As a bit of a veteran in the database industry, I concur (at least about the impact on Oracle's database business). There is a lot of pent-up demand for anything that offers distributed consistency. We've been seeing this demand at Fauna. FaunaDB offers distributed consistency, based on Raft and the Calvin protocol instead of depending on specific networking and clock hardware. We've seen a big part of our appeal is the ability to run FaunaDB across multiple cloud services.

amalag 10y ago
What is the monetisation plan? Purely SAAS with on-premise or an open source version with support like postgres/mysql?
- evanweaver 10y ago
  The serverless cloud is pay-as-you-go. There is no minimum spend, unlike Spanner's $1000 per month (apparently). And it's cheaper than operating any open source on cloud hardware. On-premises is licensed by core. We have a developer edition you can use on your local machine, but we don't currently have plans to open source FaunaDB itself.
  - rgrove 10y ago
    Where did you read that Cloud Spanner has a $1,000 per month minimum spend? I can't seem to find any mention of this.
    - arjunnarayan 10y ago
      Minimum 3 nodes * node pricing of $.90/hour = 30.924*30 = 1944/month.
      - rgrove 10y ago
        Where is this 3-node minimum mentioned? URL please? Edit: Looks like maybe you're referring to the recommended 3 node minimum in production mentioned at https://cloud.google.com/spanner/docs/instance-configuration https://cloud.google.com/spanner/docs/instance-configuration
        edaemon 10y ago
        While I'm not familiar with Spanner's inner workings, I would guess that they recommend 3 instances for quorum establishment in case a region becomes unreachable. If that's the case, using fewer than 3 instances could cause major problems.
        dragonwriter 10y ago
        Since Spanner currently only supports single-region deployments, it clearly isn't recommended as protection against a region becoming unavailable. It may be recommended as protection against an availability issue on an instance, though, which is, after all, a big reason why you'd want a distributed DB in production.
        inlined 10y ago
        Even within a single region you can put three nodes in different zones.
        edaemon 10y ago
        I suppose the loss of a region doesn't apply (yet), but yes, the quorum requirement would still apply even if you only had instances in a single region.
mattb314 10y ago
Wait, Fauna uses the Calvin protocol? Would you mind linking a white paper? I didn't realize it was in use outside Calvin/CalvinFS.
- evanweaver 10y ago
  We have kept it under wraps. The whitepaper will be ready next month most likely.
  - mattb314 10y ago
    Awesome! I'll keep an eye out.

by jchrisa 10y ago

amalag 10y ago

What is the monetisation plan? Purely SAAS with on-premise or an open source version with support like postgres/mysql?

evanweaver 10y ago
The serverless cloud is pay-as-you-go. There is no minimum spend, unlike Spanner's $1000 per month (apparently). And it's cheaper than operating any open source on cloud hardware. On-premises is licensed by core. We have a developer edition you can use on your local machine, but we don't currently have plans to open source FaunaDB itself.
- rgrove 10y ago
  Where did you read that Cloud Spanner has a $1,000 per month minimum spend? I can't seem to find any mention of this.
  - arjunnarayan 10y ago
    Minimum 3 nodes * node pricing of $.90/hour = 30.924*30 = 1944/month.
    - rgrove 10y ago
      Where is this 3-node minimum mentioned? URL please? Edit: Looks like maybe you're referring to the recommended 3 node minimum in production mentioned at https://cloud.google.com/spanner/docs/instance-configuration https://cloud.google.com/spanner/docs/instance-configuration
      - edaemon 10y ago
        While I'm not familiar with Spanner's inner workings, I would guess that they recommend 3 instances for quorum establishment in case a region becomes unreachable. If that's the case, using fewer than 3 instances could cause major problems.
        dragonwriter 10y ago
        Since Spanner currently only supports single-region deployments, it clearly isn't recommended as protection against a region becoming unavailable. It may be recommended as protection against an availability issue on an instance, though, which is, after all, a big reason why you'd want a distributed DB in production.
        inlined 10y ago
        Even within a single region you can put three nodes in different zones.
        edaemon 10y ago
        I suppose the loss of a region doesn't apply (yet), but yes, the quorum requirement would still apply even if you only had instances in a single region.

mattb314 10y ago

Wait, Fauna uses the Calvin protocol? Would you mind linking a white paper? I didn't realize it was in use outside Calvin/CalvinFS.

evanweaver 10y ago
We have kept it under wraps. The whitepaper will be ready next month most likely.
- mattb314 10y ago
  Awesome! I'll keep an eye out.