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I watch topics that interest me, especially if i know nearly nobody else cares about them: - takes 2 seconds every day to check the list (on speed-dial, next t

by petee 10y ago

I watch topics that interest me, especially if i know nearly nobody else cares about them: - takes 2 seconds every day to check the list (on speed-dial, next to HN) - 30 seconds to read a diff - and 1 second to click 'undo' (or a couple minutes of research/learning for an edit) What's nice, is that there is a dispute process that the community takes pretty seriously, and you can always ask for assistance. As another user pointed out, the article has already been restored :)

cpncrunch 10y ago
I find it ironic that the author of this article bemoans the incompetent wikipedia admin who deleted the article, yet she didn't bother spending the 30 seconds necessary to post a comment on the talk page. Wikipedia works through volunteers, and if you don't bother giving up a little bit of your time to improve it, you don't really have any right to complain. I see regular articles on HN prophesying the death of wikipedia, but it doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
- cooper12 10y ago
  Pretty much every article on HN that is even slightly negative about Wikipedia, Apple, or whatever is the topic of the day devolves into a hatejerk. I've noted this before [0] and it won't end as long as HN keeps being an echo chamber. From browsing HN you'd think Apple completely tanked with the new Macbook and their other controversial changes, but they just had a record quarter. I notice this on sites like reddit and HN a lot, people spread these memes of how a company should function or rather doesn't and they consider themselves the most informed target audience for that company even if it couldn't be further from the truth. Even in this very thread I see so much misinformation about how Wikipedia works and how it's being overrun with deletionists, yet anyone participating in the site could tell you that these fears are overblown. (in fact, in my three years of editing, I've found it harder to actually delete stuff because of inclusionists and random keepers) People just want to say "ackshually, nice thing isn't nice because x...". I'm not going to bother commenting elsewhere in this thread because it gets tiring, but people really need to actually try understanding Wikipedia themselves before repeating misinformation about it again and again. Nearly every thread on HN about Wikipedia is about people crying about that their article with no sources at all got deleted in favor of a popular culture topic that is meticulously sourced. Yet they also complain about Wikipedia being unreliable and biased. You can't have your cake and eat it too, either demand quality controls or create your own fork which has no controls at all and watch what happens to it. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13624239 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13624239
- petee 10y ago
  As I understand, once a page is deleted, you're supposed contact the proper channels prior to recreating the page, including talk; a procedural thing. The core complaint is still valid against major changes without due diligence - heck, i don't even make minor changes without hitting preview and diff a half dozen times to make sure i didn't bork something.
- JdeBP 10y ago
  Presumably, then, someone who bothered quite a lot and gave up a lot of time to research and write the beginnings of an article very much does have the right to complain.
  - cpncrunch 10y ago
    Not if they didn't expend the 30 seconds of time necessary to prevent the deletion. It really doesn't take much effort...
    - TuringTest 10y ago
      The whole point of the article is that those 30 seconds (for reviewing the deletion request and possibly oppose it) need to be multiplied by the several thousands of stubs that are proposed for deletion every day.

by petee 10y ago

cpncrunch 10y ago

I find it ironic that the author of this article bemoans the incompetent wikipedia admin who deleted the article, yet she didn't bother spending the 30 seconds necessary to post a comment on the talk page. Wikipedia works through volunteers, and if you don't bother giving up a little bit of your time to improve it, you don't really have any right to complain. I see regular articles on HN prophesying the death of wikipedia, but it doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

cooper12 10y ago
Pretty much every article on HN that is even slightly negative about Wikipedia, Apple, or whatever is the topic of the day devolves into a hatejerk. I've noted this before [0] and it won't end as long as HN keeps being an echo chamber. From browsing HN you'd think Apple completely tanked with the new Macbook and their other controversial changes, but they just had a record quarter. I notice this on sites like reddit and HN a lot, people spread these memes of how a company should function or rather doesn't and they consider themselves the most informed target audience for that company even if it couldn't be further from the truth. Even in this very thread I see so much misinformation about how Wikipedia works and how it's being overrun with deletionists, yet anyone participating in the site could tell you that these fears are overblown. (in fact, in my three years of editing, I've found it harder to actually delete stuff because of inclusionists and random keepers) People just want to say "ackshually, nice thing isn't nice because x...". I'm not going to bother commenting elsewhere in this thread because it gets tiring, but people really need to actually try understanding Wikipedia themselves before repeating misinformation about it again and again. Nearly every thread on HN about Wikipedia is about people crying about that their article with no sources at all got deleted in favor of a popular culture topic that is meticulously sourced. Yet they also complain about Wikipedia being unreliable and biased. You can't have your cake and eat it too, either demand quality controls or create your own fork which has no controls at all and watch what happens to it. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13624239 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13624239
petee 10y ago
As I understand, once a page is deleted, you're supposed contact the proper channels prior to recreating the page, including talk; a procedural thing. The core complaint is still valid against major changes without due diligence - heck, i don't even make minor changes without hitting preview and diff a half dozen times to make sure i didn't bork something.
JdeBP 10y ago
Presumably, then, someone who bothered quite a lot and gave up a lot of time to research and write the beginnings of an article very much does have the right to complain.
- cpncrunch 10y ago
  Not if they didn't expend the 30 seconds of time necessary to prevent the deletion. It really doesn't take much effort...
  - TuringTest 10y ago
    The whole point of the article is that those 30 seconds (for reviewing the deletion request and possibly oppose it) need to be multiplied by the several thousands of stubs that are proposed for deletion every day.