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Honest question, although on a bit different topic I guess. Does AGPL prevents some company creating Github like services for Pijul?

by fadzlan 10y ago

kibwen 10y ago
It does not prevent any company from creating a Pijulhub. However, if you make modifications to Pijul or link it as a library into other code, that code must be made open-source. (And note that GitHub doesn't even use the original git written by Linus, they wrote their own implementation, libgit2.)
- qznc 10y ago
  Afaik libgit2 is a derivative of git. Anyways, for Pijul to be successful, there must be something like PijulHub. The bar is higher now. Thus, make it easy to build this hub!
  - kibwen 10y ago
    Being open-source doesn't make it any harder to build a centralized source code hosting site, it just makes it harder to get VC funding. :P
  - ben0x539 10y ago
    It sounds like the authors' motivation is to create something that doesn't need a central hub to compete, to fight centralization. I expect their idea of success is also very different from github's.
lvh 10y ago
There is serious disagreement between serious legal scholars (Moglen, Rosen) about what kind of cooperation between components would trigger (A)GPL virality clauses. Linking counts according to one, but not the other; IIUC everyone agrees subprocesses don't count. So, assuming said company would not want to AGPL their code (and assuming they don't distribute binaries), that choice would imply some technical decisions they would presumably not be very happy about, but overall: no.
Avshalom 10y ago
Not really it just means the ticket tracking/wiki/etc... features can't get so cozy with pijul that they become 'derivative works'.
WorldMaker 10y ago
I think the problem with the AGPL is that we don't know. The virality of the AGPL hasn't really been tested in courts of law yet, and it is easy to assume the worst, especially if you consider trying to need to explain AGPL terms to lawyers in a court case, much less a potentially non-technical juror.
chriswarbo 10y ago
> Does AGPL prevents some company creating Github like services for Pijul? Not at all, if their service is AGPL licensed. Of course, many companies may not want to use AGPL, and there's a whole lot of discussion on this page regarding what might/might-not be allowed to work around the AGPL. However, I didn't see anyone mention the possibility of, you know, using the AGPL, which is the entire reason the authors chose it ;)

Honest question, although on a bit different topic I guess. Does AGPL prevents some company creating Github like services for Pijul?

by fadzlan 10y ago

Honest question, although on a bit different topic I guess. Does AGPL prevents some company creating Github like services for Pijul?

kibwen 10y ago

It does not prevent any company from creating a Pijulhub. However, if you make modifications to Pijul or link it as a library into other code, that code must be made open-source. (And note that GitHub doesn't even use the original git written by Linus, they wrote their own implementation, libgit2.)

qznc 10y ago
Afaik libgit2 is a derivative of git. Anyways, for Pijul to be successful, there must be something like PijulHub. The bar is higher now. Thus, make it easy to build this hub!
- kibwen 10y ago
  Being open-source doesn't make it any harder to build a centralized source code hosting site, it just makes it harder to get VC funding. :P
- ben0x539 10y ago
  It sounds like the authors' motivation is to create something that doesn't need a central hub to compete, to fight centralization. I expect their idea of success is also very different from github's.

lvh 10y ago

There is serious disagreement between serious legal scholars (Moglen, Rosen) about what kind of cooperation between components would trigger (A)GPL virality clauses. Linking counts according to one, but not the other; IIUC everyone agrees subprocesses don't count. So, assuming said company would not want to AGPL their code (and assuming they don't distribute binaries), that choice would imply some technical decisions they would presumably not be very happy about, but overall: no.

Avshalom 10y ago

Not really it just means the ticket tracking/wiki/etc... features can't get so cozy with pijul that they become 'derivative works'.

WorldMaker 10y ago

I think the problem with the AGPL is that we don't know. The virality of the AGPL hasn't really been tested in courts of law yet, and it is easy to assume the worst, especially if you consider trying to need to explain AGPL terms to lawyers in a court case, much less a potentially non-technical juror.

chriswarbo 10y ago

> Does AGPL prevents some company creating Github like services for Pijul? Not at all, if their service is AGPL licensed. Of course, many companies may not want to use AGPL, and there's a whole lot of discussion on this page regarding what might/might-not be allowed to work around the AGPL. However, I didn't see anyone mention the possibility of, you know, using the AGPL, which is the entire reason the authors chose it ;)