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Complete tangent, but I must say that since I recently started using pycharm it has really caught most of the obvious typo and uninitialized bugs and my python

Complete tangent, but I must say that since I recently started using pycharm it has really caught most of the obvious typo and uninitialized bugs and my python code is really crashing surprisingly rarely as I prototype to death. Just saying in case there are others who haven't been trying modern python tooling and don't know that you can get real close to a compiled language type safety certainty these days before you run a line of code.

mi100hael 10y ago
I get where you're coming from, but relying on an IDE for safety is a recipe for disaster. What happens when you just quickly pop open that file in on a shell to make a small change and fat-finger something? What happens when a different developer decides to use vim for everything? I used Python extensively for years and it's still my scripting language of choice, but to use it to build something safe in a business-critical situation requires an obnoxious number of tests, half of which are basically just type checks.
- lowmagnet 10y ago
  1) you get an error, and since it's a small change I'd assume you could guess where you caused it. 2) they get errors but they may have more difficulty finding them. (or they use a vim plugin for that, or pylint, etc. on save) I'd guess your ability to suss out an error's cause without an IDE is a matter of comfort with a language, and your lack of ability isn't an IDE's fault.
dude01 10y ago
Speaking of tangents... I use pycharm too. Do you ever use type annotations in Python? I'm really digging it in Typescript for Javascript.
- willvarfar 10y ago
  (I have my own, and I'm probably the only user ;) https://pypi.python.org/pypi/obiwan/ https://pypi.python.org/pypi/obiwan/ )
  - dude01 10y ago
    Oh wow, thanks for the link. Looks like you discovered typescript way before I did. It looks like Mypy is pretty popular these days. Cheers!

mi100hael 10y ago

I get where you're coming from, but relying on an IDE for safety is a recipe for disaster. What happens when you just quickly pop open that file in on a shell to make a small change and fat-finger something? What happens when a different developer decides to use vim for everything? I used Python extensively for years and it's still my scripting language of choice, but to use it to build something safe in a business-critical situation requires an obnoxious number of tests, half of which are basically just type checks.

lowmagnet 10y ago
1) you get an error, and since it's a small change I'd assume you could guess where you caused it. 2) they get errors but they may have more difficulty finding them. (or they use a vim plugin for that, or pylint, etc. on save) I'd guess your ability to suss out an error's cause without an IDE is a matter of comfort with a language, and your lack of ability isn't an IDE's fault.

dude01 10y ago

Speaking of tangents... I use pycharm too. Do you ever use type annotations in Python? I'm really digging it in Typescript for Javascript.

willvarfar 10y ago
(I have my own, and I'm probably the only user ;) https://pypi.python.org/pypi/obiwan/ https://pypi.python.org/pypi/obiwan/ )
- dude01 10y ago
  Oh wow, thanks for the link. Looks like you discovered typescript way before I did. It looks like Mypy is pretty popular these days. Cheers!