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> why should the US be forced You've got it backwards. Nobody is forcing the US to take anyone. Instead, employers in the US are instead being forced to hire n
by winter_blue 10y ago
> why should the US be forced
You've got it backwards. Nobody is forcing the US to take anyone. Instead, employers in the US are instead being forced to hire native workers, and are effectively being prohibited from hiring from the rest of the world. It's this prohibition that needs to be defended.
I'm an employer, and I want to hire a French software developer. I'm willing to pay him $160,000 a year. But now, immigration restrictionists are getting in my way and saying that I can't hire him. If I hire him disregarding the laws prohibiting me from doing so, I would get hit by heavy fines and might literally be thrown in jail. Immigration restrictionists effectively advocate for the use of state violence to block me from employing non-Americans.
Now this isn't some hypothetical story that I came up with. I work for a French company that has an office in New York, and we've tried to bring a Software Developer from our Paris office for two years now. For two years in a row, he lost the H-1B lottery both times. The L-1B visa didn't work out either. My company which is French-owned and French-based and has to deal with this stuff. It's this restrictionism that has got to be justified.
- muninn_ 10y agoI'll be concise here: you can hire an American. There are plenty of people who can do that job living in New York City.
- krzyk 10y agoWhy hire someone new and train him when you have a guy that doesn't need training.
- muninn_ 10y agoBecause that guy lives in a different country, and the business is in the United States.
- wdcgu 10y agoAh, don't you miss good old xenophobia and isolationism?
- muninn_ 10y agoWhen every country on the planet hasn't open borders, the US can too. Until then, we will manage and judge who gets to come here. End of story. Calling it xenophobia is meaningless here, unless you're characterizing every country on the planet that way, in which case your comment has no teeth.
- cpburns2009 10y agoPreferring to hire people from already in your own country would be patriotic rather than isolationist. That's not xenophobia though because there's no irrational or intense fear of foreigners. That is unless "xenophobia" has been perverted to now mean anything that isn't hardcore globalist.
- krzyk 10y agoNo, the business is international with HQ outside US. They just have a branch in the US.
- muninn_ 10y agoRight so it's a non-American company, so hire somebody in the Us for that branch.
- wdcgu 10y agoThis free market thing isn't really working out. The government should just run everything, make 5 year plans and assign jobs to everyone. Oh wait, but that's communism, nvm then.
- muninn_ 10y agoCompared to communism, this "free market" is like a shiny, golden, heavenly angel of salvation. But, what we are talking about here is government policy. We have a government and it makes rules. There are other governments and they make rules too. Since that's the system we have, we need to analyze and balance what's right, and what works.
- AlgorithmicTime 10y agoJust hire an American. There are people in the NYC area who can do that job at $160k.