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I have always found interesting that people try to chalk out freedom of labour movement as a "nicety, an ideological thing" - while I have to accept that Facebo
by NetStrikeForce 10y ago
I have always found interesting that people try to chalk out freedom of labour movement as a "nicety, an ideological thing" - while I have to accept that Facebook, Microsoft, Google, Apple, Amazon can become rich selling to my people while the US is protectionist with the well-paid job positions in those companies.
You can sell your shit to me and I can't sell my labour to you. Ok, at least pay taxes locally and fund my universities, roads and infrastructures to pump up the local market.
- shard972 10y agoI mean, it's not like your people are being forced to use and buy products from these companies. So why should the US be forced to take in workers from other countries?
- NetStrikeForce 10y agoI think you understood "free market" backwards mate. No one is forcing me to buy US or local for that matter, but demands are for those US companies to be "forced" to buy local labour.
- winter_blue 10y ago> why should the US be forced You've got it backwards. Nobody is forcing the US to take anyone. Instead, employers in the US are instead being forced to hire native workers, and are effectively being prohibited from hiring from the rest of the world. It's this prohibition that needs to be defended. I'm an employer, and I want to hire a French software developer. I'm willing to pay him $160,000 a year. But now, immigration restrictionists are getting in my way and saying that I can't hire him. If I hire him disregarding the laws prohibiting me from doing so, I would get hit by heavy fines and might literally be thrown in jail. Immigration restrictionists effectively advocate for the use of state violence to block me from employing non-Americans. Now this isn't some hypothetical story that I came up with. I work for a French company that has an office in New York, and we've tried to bring a Software Developer from our Paris office for two years now. For two years in a row, he lost the H-1B lottery both times. The L-1B visa didn't work out either. My company which is French-owned and French-based and has to deal with this stuff. It's this restrictionism that has got to be justified.
- muninn_ 10y agoI'll be concise here: you can hire an American. There are plenty of people who can do that job living in New York City.
- krzyk 10y agoWhy hire someone new and train him when you have a guy that doesn't need training.
- muninn_ 10y agoBecause that guy lives in a different country, and the business is in the United States.
- wdcgu 10y agoAh, don't you miss good old xenophobia and isolationism?
- muninn_ 10y agoWhen every country on the planet hasn't open borders, the US can too. Until then, we will manage and judge who gets to come here. End of story. Calling it xenophobia is meaningless here, unless you're characterizing every country on the planet that way, in which case your comment has no teeth.