> They say they're free from suffering, maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but they can't tell me how to repeat that in a way I can reproduce for myself. If th

> They say they're free from suffering, maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but they can't tell me how to repeat that in a way I can reproduce for myself. If that were true, I'd take the same position as you do, but the good ones never tell you to trust them. In fact they insist that you look for yourself with brutal honesty and never trust any guru on their word. In fact, I see their conduct as the epitome of the scientific method, only directed at understanding what's at the core of the subjective experience. What experiments have you tried so far to claim that these are bizarre and baseless claims?