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> If you truly believe that H-1B should exist only for truly extraordinary talent Second to last paragraph: "Employers claim that they hire H-1Bs for rare ski

> If you truly believe that H-1B should exist only for truly extraordinary talent Second to last paragraph: "Employers claim that they hire H-1Bs for rare skill sets or outstanding talent ― traits that they would need to pay a premium for on the open market. Yet current law requires only that they pay the average wage. Worse, it is the average wage within one of those four experience levels. Instead, we should replace this with a single wage floor set at the 75th percentile of the overall wage distribution for the given occupation and region." Silicon Valley is actively exploiting H1Bs and antagonizing and attacking US born/educated workers just to justify bringing in a cheaper labour force of lower skilled workers from India and China.

lazaroclapp 10y ago
Rare skillset or outstanding talent can be interpreted at different levels in so far as how strong an statement that is. As a percentage of the population, software engineers have a rare skillset, and there is no employment crisis in the field that requires protectionist measures to keep people with said skillset from mass unemployment. The system you are proposing would end with companies having to hire significantly over 25% of their workforce locally. That's not "favoring skilled U.S. workers over lower skilled workers from abroad", that is "restricting our talent pool to 5% of the world population for the most part". You might chose to legislate it thus if you wish, but you would be doing so at your peril. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the system should incentive not hiring Americans because they can resign with more ease, that is absurd. But on the other hand, I don't think the U.S. really benefits over the long run of having a system where the talent market is strongly distorted by citizenship. Let me put it another way, would you think it is a good idea, if it were legal to do so, if California passed a law saying people born out of state should only be able to work here at 75th percentile overall wage for their occupation?
- walshemj 10y ago
  That's not what rare means rare is not the average SE
- true_religion 10y ago
  I am not sure why those people can't be served by normal visas which don't tie you to your employer at risk of deportation for not agreeing to their every demand.
  - mavelikara 10y ago
    > I am not sure why those people can't be served by normal visas What are the names of those "normal visas"?
  - lazaroclapp 10y ago
    Which normal visas would those be? H-1B is the normal work visa for everyone not coming from Mexico or Canada.
    - true_religion 10y ago
      By that I mean non 'work' visa---the regular visa lottery system, L1 and L2 visa holders, and everyone who would fall in the E2, E3, E4 visa category for having <= 5 years of experience. And added on that temporary work permit that'd be suitable for contractors. The USA issues over 3 million visas under which work is permitted per year, so I wonder why isn't there room in the existing legislative framework to accommodate skilled workers without having them be given H1-B.
  - wdcgu 10y ago
    Do you even know how the system works?
jza00425 10y ago
What the problem? You want the companies to pay more just because the person is American? No wonder a lot of jobs outsourced. If you can even compete with foreign works, maybe you should move to a developing country since you are so incompetent

lazaroclapp 10y ago

Rare skillset or outstanding talent can be interpreted at different levels in so far as how strong an statement that is. As a percentage of the population, software engineers have a rare skillset, and there is no employment crisis in the field that requires protectionist measures to keep people with said skillset from mass unemployment. The system you are proposing would end with companies having to hire significantly over 25% of their workforce locally. That's not "favoring skilled U.S. workers over lower skilled workers from abroad", that is "restricting our talent pool to 5% of the world population for the most part". You might chose to legislate it thus if you wish, but you would be doing so at your peril. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the system should incentive not hiring Americans because they can resign with more ease, that is absurd. But on the other hand, I don't think the U.S. really benefits over the long run of having a system where the talent market is strongly distorted by citizenship. Let me put it another way, would you think it is a good idea, if it were legal to do so, if California passed a law saying people born out of state should only be able to work here at 75th percentile overall wage for their occupation?

walshemj 10y ago
That's not what rare means rare is not the average SE
true_religion 10y ago
I am not sure why those people can't be served by normal visas which don't tie you to your employer at risk of deportation for not agreeing to their every demand.
- mavelikara 10y ago
  > I am not sure why those people can't be served by normal visas What are the names of those "normal visas"?
- lazaroclapp 10y ago
  Which normal visas would those be? H-1B is the normal work visa for everyone not coming from Mexico or Canada.
  - true_religion 10y ago
    By that I mean non 'work' visa---the regular visa lottery system, L1 and L2 visa holders, and everyone who would fall in the E2, E3, E4 visa category for having <= 5 years of experience. And added on that temporary work permit that'd be suitable for contractors. The USA issues over 3 million visas under which work is permitted per year, so I wonder why isn't there room in the existing legislative framework to accommodate skilled workers without having them be given H1-B.
- wdcgu 10y ago
  Do you even know how the system works?

jza00425 10y ago

What the problem? You want the companies to pay more just because the person is American? No wonder a lot of jobs outsourced. If you can even compete with foreign works, maybe you should move to a developing country since you are so incompetent