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I don't understand why 20k is such a challenge for web developers. I don't think I've ever gone even near 20K for HTML, CSS and JS combined. My current blog, wh

by laumars 10y ago

I don't understand why 20k is such a challenge for web developers. I don't think I've ever gone even near 20K for HTML, CSS and JS combined. My current blog, which is the most bloated one I've ran yet, is still only around 17K. I do roll all my own code (never touched jQuery et al), mostly because I can and I find it weirdly enjoyable. But threads like these do make me wonder if all these nice tools we have these days are really just a crutch for bad programming practices. I mean I know tech jumps exponentially with each iteration but I swear the performance gained by newer technology is just eaten up straight away by developers writing heavier code to accomplish the same things as before. I know this all sounds hyper-cynical and I do like my compositing display manager with wobbly windows et al so I'm hardly in a position to moan about bloat. But I guess my rant is about how poor web markup is for expressing modern documents (let alone full blown web applications). Well that, and I just needed to rant because I'm stuck in a hospital waiting room at 1 in the morning...

Radim 10y ago
Does anyone remember "Volkov Commander"? An old DOS file manager [1], written in assembly. Super fast and responsive, tiny size -- a fraction of Norton Commander &co's, never mind any modern tools. Whenever I have to deal with the insanely inconvenient cluster fuck that is modern file managers (OSX Finder!), I probably feel the way you do about "modern web development". Hope your hospital visit goes well. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkov_Commander https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkov_Commander
TeMPOraL 10y ago
I'm with you. I have the same feeling about web, desktop and smartphone - each iteration of software does the same or less than previous one, while eating up any resource surplus created by advancements in hardware and optimizations of software stack. I hope your visit went well.
austinjp 10y ago
Agreed. I'm building this theme because a search for "lightweight" WP themes didn't turn up anything usable, aesthetically tolerable, and non-bloated. Hope the hospital visit turned out okay.

by laumars 10y ago

Radim 10y ago

Does anyone remember "Volkov Commander"? An old DOS file manager [1], written in assembly. Super fast and responsive, tiny size -- a fraction of Norton Commander &co's, never mind any modern tools. Whenever I have to deal with the insanely inconvenient cluster fuck that is modern file managers (OSX Finder!), I probably feel the way you do about "modern web development". Hope your hospital visit goes well. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkov_Commander https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkov_Commander

TeMPOraL 10y ago

I'm with you. I have the same feeling about web, desktop and smartphone - each iteration of software does the same or less than previous one, while eating up any resource surplus created by advancements in hardware and optimizations of software stack. I hope your visit went well.

austinjp 10y ago

Agreed. I'm building this theme because a search for "lightweight" WP themes didn't turn up anything usable, aesthetically tolerable, and non-bloated. Hope the hospital visit turned out okay.