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Of course I'm going to get flamed for this but this guy has written a bunch of nonsense. "Love and emptiness cannot abide together; when there is the feeling o

Of course I'm going to get flamed for this but this guy has written a bunch of nonsense. "Love and emptiness cannot abide together; when there is the feeling of loneliness, love is not. " 1. Emptiness is not the same thing as loneliness. 2. If you feel anything bad while you think you feel empty then that's not actual emptiness. 3. When you practice true love for others it makes you lonely because it makes everyone abandon you. How does he reconcile those? He can't. "You will ask, then what is love? Love is a state of being in which thought is not; but the very definition of love is a process of thought, and so it is not love." That's not a definition. That's coincident phenomena with an effect of true love. But other things can make you stop "thinking". Such as losing oneself. Or taking drugs habitually. QED. Only a person who has lost his own self can say the sorts of things that Krishnamurti said. Please: Beware of everything. He did not have a real enlightenment. When you ask a real enlightened teacher what love is, they can tell you on the spot. Love is blessing. Blessings are that which enable or cause a good result for something or for it to change for the better. That's a wholly completely different quality of definition than spending hundreds of pages making up one's own words for the purpose of instilling his spirit into others. The only reason I can give the correct definition while Krishnamurti could not is that I learned it from someone who actually knew and could verify his answers.

draw_down 10y ago
Yikes.
- blueprint 10y ago
  Thanks for letting me borrow you as evidence. :)
  - draw_down 10y ago
    If you say so
    - blueprint 10y ago
      It's not clear if you would like to have a sincere conversation. May I ask you questions? In honesty, why did you post your reply to my comment?
projektir 10y ago
I'm having similar problems understanding your post as I do with understanding his writings. This discussion would have probably been a lot more productive if either of you defined what in the world do you mean by "love"/"true love", because you're using a lot of the emotional load typically placed there to define concepts that seem to be different.
- blueprint 10y ago
  > I'm having similar problems understanding your post as I do with understanding his writings. How do you confirm the similarity of the problems? One thing's for sure - I can help you get more concrete understanding the more you ask me concrete questions and check. The same cannot be said of Krishnamurti's teaching as his words cannot be verified (they lack verifiable problems). Feel free to ask me any questions you would like. If you want to do something good for yourself or society I'll be happy to see if I can help identify the causes and the way to the result you want. > This discussion would have probably been a lot more productive if either of you defined what in the world do you mean by "love"/"true love" You probably just missed it, but I certainly did define it concretely… unless you replied before reading my entire post. You have to be on your guard for whether you can confirm how well you really understand the definition. It took me a long time to see it, myself.
  - ZenoArrow 10y ago
    >"You probably just missed it, but I certainly did define it concretely" Is this the definition you're referring to? >"Love is blessing. Blessings are that which enable or cause a good result for something or for it to change for the better." Has this view of 'love is blessing' changed your life? What has it helped you with?
    - blueprint 10y ago
      Yes, that's correct. Excellent questions. If you want to understand the definition of love correctly you need to learn conscience and justice first of all. Conscience is the way to brighten one's mind, and justice is the way to brighten our world. Is there any greater blessing than living with a bright mind in a bright world ?
ZenoArrow 10y ago
>"When you practice true love for others it makes you lonely because it makes everyone abandon you." What do you mean by this? In your opinion, what makes true love incompatible with connectness?
- blueprint 10y ago
  Love is not incompatible with connectedness. The very way of the world is love. So people who are alive cannot exactly not be "unified". But people do what I described because they have different destinies than you. It takes them a long time to come to know facts because they can't understand or accept what you had to open your mouth to tell them right off the bat. The reason is that we, who are ordinary people who are not enlightened, do not really recognize the causes we carry within our own consciousnesses. We only witness results/effects and don't fully perceive the problems that made them become that way. So even if you could predict the future people can't accept what you say without their own verification. But people only take exactly what they are ready to take even from a perfect teaching. Basically, people hear what they want to hear. Plus, it's really arduous to change for the better in most cases. So people who have such things in them have to distance themselves from you if you retain your sincerity as it's hard for them to stay near a person who doesn't agree with their expectation that they're right. Their pride feels hurt. Eventually, if your words were true (true love), then they have the chance to come to know you in the future, after they confirm and experience lots of things through their own living. But it's hard for them to reapproach you if what they have done made Karma inside of their consciousness. And that's provided they don't destroy or lose themselves in the process.
  - ZenoArrow 10y ago
    >"But people only take exactly what they are ready to take even from a perfect teaching." I agree that to be prepared for an idea makes someone more receptive to it. I find the same thing with creative thinking as a whole. When I've taken the time to reflect on an puzzle, I'm more receptive to a solution. Regarding the other points you raised about love, another question... Is sincerity important for true love? Or to put it another way, can illusory actions be conducted in a loving way?
brangalina4eva 10y ago
> The only reason I can give the correct definition while Krishnamurti could not is that I learned it from someone who actually knew and could verify his answers. Do you honestly believe what you wrote? What blathering nonsense.

draw_down 10y ago

Yikes.

blueprint 10y ago
Thanks for letting me borrow you as evidence. :)
- draw_down 10y ago
  If you say so
  - blueprint 10y ago
    It's not clear if you would like to have a sincere conversation. May I ask you questions? In honesty, why did you post your reply to my comment?

projektir 10y ago

I'm having similar problems understanding your post as I do with understanding his writings. This discussion would have probably been a lot more productive if either of you defined what in the world do you mean by "love"/"true love", because you're using a lot of the emotional load typically placed there to define concepts that seem to be different.

blueprint 10y ago
> I'm having similar problems understanding your post as I do with understanding his writings. How do you confirm the similarity of the problems? One thing's for sure - I can help you get more concrete understanding the more you ask me concrete questions and check. The same cannot be said of Krishnamurti's teaching as his words cannot be verified (they lack verifiable problems). Feel free to ask me any questions you would like. If you want to do something good for yourself or society I'll be happy to see if I can help identify the causes and the way to the result you want. > This discussion would have probably been a lot more productive if either of you defined what in the world do you mean by "love"/"true love" You probably just missed it, but I certainly did define it concretely… unless you replied before reading my entire post. You have to be on your guard for whether you can confirm how well you really understand the definition. It took me a long time to see it, myself.
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  >"You probably just missed it, but I certainly did define it concretely" Is this the definition you're referring to? >"Love is blessing. Blessings are that which enable or cause a good result for something or for it to change for the better." Has this view of 'love is blessing' changed your life? What has it helped you with?
  - blueprint 10y ago
    Yes, that's correct. Excellent questions. If you want to understand the definition of love correctly you need to learn conscience and justice first of all. Conscience is the way to brighten one's mind, and justice is the way to brighten our world. Is there any greater blessing than living with a bright mind in a bright world ?

ZenoArrow 10y ago

>"When you practice true love for others it makes you lonely because it makes everyone abandon you." What do you mean by this? In your opinion, what makes true love incompatible with connectness?

blueprint 10y ago
Love is not incompatible with connectedness. The very way of the world is love. So people who are alive cannot exactly not be "unified". But people do what I described because they have different destinies than you. It takes them a long time to come to know facts because they can't understand or accept what you had to open your mouth to tell them right off the bat. The reason is that we, who are ordinary people who are not enlightened, do not really recognize the causes we carry within our own consciousnesses. We only witness results/effects and don't fully perceive the problems that made them become that way. So even if you could predict the future people can't accept what you say without their own verification. But people only take exactly what they are ready to take even from a perfect teaching. Basically, people hear what they want to hear. Plus, it's really arduous to change for the better in most cases. So people who have such things in them have to distance themselves from you if you retain your sincerity as it's hard for them to stay near a person who doesn't agree with their expectation that they're right. Their pride feels hurt. Eventually, if your words were true (true love), then they have the chance to come to know you in the future, after they confirm and experience lots of things through their own living. But it's hard for them to reapproach you if what they have done made Karma inside of their consciousness. And that's provided they don't destroy or lose themselves in the process.
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  >"But people only take exactly what they are ready to take even from a perfect teaching." I agree that to be prepared for an idea makes someone more receptive to it. I find the same thing with creative thinking as a whole. When I've taken the time to reflect on an puzzle, I'm more receptive to a solution. Regarding the other points you raised about love, another question... Is sincerity important for true love? Or to put it another way, can illusory actions be conducted in a loving way?

brangalina4eva 10y ago

> The only reason I can give the correct definition while Krishnamurti could not is that I learned it from someone who actually knew and could verify his answers. Do you honestly believe what you wrote? What blathering nonsense.