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The subtext here is that "Bzeek, a quiet, devout Libyan-born Muslim" would not be allowed to immigrate to the United States today given the "Muslim Ban" Executi
by fraserharris 10y ago
The subtext here is that "Bzeek, a quiet, devout Libyan-born Muslim" would not be allowed to immigrate to the United States today given the "Muslim Ban" Executive Order.
- fil_a_del_fee_a 10y agoTrump hates children. Got it.
- staticautomatic 10y agoUhhh, Betsy DeVos.
- woofyman 10y agoThe White House defended handcuffing 5 year olds at airports.
- randyrand 10y agoIsn't it a temporary ban?
- pavlov 10y agoTemporary government orders have a habit of becoming permanent ones. (Cf. every temporary tax ever.)
- zo1 10y agoAnother one that most people overlook in that category are "affirmative action" quotas. They're always sold as "temporary" for the brief time it'll take for their effects to manifest and fix stuff. But alas, in the majority of cases, they are never repealed or "finalized". One way of interpreting that is that it's easy to sell an unpalatable something as a temporary thing because it sounds "corrective" rather than a final decision.
- gdulli 10y agoThe thing about phantom threats to national security is they never seem to go away.
- randyrand 10y agoSo should temporary bans be...banned? It seems there could be use for a temporary ban in the general sense. AFAIK, this was a good scenario for a temporary ban. More strict anti-terror regulations are announced to be coming, and to prevent people from trying to get in before that ban, you have a temporary ban. It made sense to me.
- kdamken 10y agoShhhhhhh. Don't you come around here with your facts and your logic.
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- andrepd 10y agoTemporary + infinitely renewable = permanent, in 95% of the cases.
- afarrell 10y agoI'm certainly familiar with the continual extension of US copyright law. What are other examples?
- wavefunction 10y agoThe USAPATRIOT Act and the expanded surveillance powers were "intended to sunset," eventually.
- pdabbadabba 10y agoIt isn't. Syrian refugees are barred indefinitely. All immigration from countries on the famous list of 7 is suspended for 90 days, and then may be resumed if they are able to come up with adequate vetting procedures. The entire refugee program, worldwide, is suspended for 120 days, and may be resumed on a country-by-country basis when the administration is satisfied that it is in the national interest.
- randyrand 10y agoSo should temporary bans be...banned? It seems there could be use for a temporary bans generally speaking. AFAIK, this was a good scenario for a temporary ban. More strict anti-terror regulations are announced to be coming, and to prevent people from trying to get in before that ban, you immediately announce a more strict temporary ban. It made sense to me.
- DrScump 10y agoNot even that. It's been vacated by a 9th Circuit Court of Appeals panel. Right now, it appears that the administration won't even defend it and instead will issue a more narrowly defined EO.
- frgtpsswrdlame 10y agoPerhaps we can leave the politics out of this one?
- fraserharris 10y agoThe timing of the article implies the subtext.
- DanBC 10y agoSure, but it's fucking obvious and didn't need to be pointed out. Look at the terrible thread it spawned.
- zo1 10y agoI think it's also horrible that the article went into it at all. We're just fighting here as a result of it. If they had left it at the person's name and good deeds, then we'd probably all be here discussing/praising that such a wonderful individual exists. No matter their race, gender, religion or nationality.
- mobiplayer 10y agoThere's no leader without a follower, let's no underestimate the importance of the first reply.
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- DrScump 10y agoMaybe, but note that he's been in the U.S. (apparently continuously) for almost 40 years -- he's likely a Permanent Resident, if not a dual citizen (the article doesn't say). Referenced events in the article go back to November at least.
- amake 10y agoHow about you just don't engage with comments about politics if that's what you prefer? Don't ask people to silence themselves on perfectly relevant topics.
- notliketherest 10y agoOf course. News outlet conflates government policy with emotionally charged tear jerking story, in the hopes of swaying public opinion against said policy. Just because there exists such an angel of a man who would fall under this policy doesn't mean this policy is bad or should not be enacted.
- gdulli 10y agoIt's more of a general defense against how immigrants and refugees are dehumanized when they're used in political manipulation.
- bryondowd 10y agoActually, I think you aren't wrong there. Of course, the argument in favor of the policy seems to rely on similar rhetoric. Except, rather than concrete examples of people who prove the benefits of the policy, there's just vague references to the kind of people who might exist in the target demographic, and references to emotionally charged tear jerking stories about people who fit that theoretical description, but wouldn't actually have been stopped by the policy.
- andrepd 10y agoActually it does. This is a example story that illustrates in concrete the argument that you can't blanket ban people by nationality without barring entrance to millions of amazing people who did nothing wrong.
- jerf 10y agoThen you're agreeing that this story can be countered simply by creating another tear-jerk story about how someone died because of a person from that country being let in. Doesn't even have to be a "terrorist". That's the problem with emotional arguments; in a world of seven billion people, anybody's emotional defenses can be trivially overwhelmed in either direction on any topic. Every second you've been alive there has been incomprehensible-to-you amounts of joy and sorrow. It's not a valid argument to selectively scoop some of that out in a particular direction that someone happens to like, and you are being played every time someone does it to you.
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- bbcbasic 10y agoI think this kind of subtext is sorely needed.