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Can't help but bring up the notion of envy these people (technocrats specifically) have for the biological miracle that is the human body. They can simulate the

Can't help but bring up the notion of envy these people (technocrats specifically) have for the biological miracle that is the human body. They can simulate the human brain all they want, but they'll never match it, as it's orders of magnitude more complex than any supercomputer they can dream of. And it has free will, which AI does not. AI is impotent at making free decisions because it's deliberately constrained by the programmers to think rigidly and inside their own custom black box. There's no room to roam unless we get to Mars where we can unleash AI and watch it make free decisions, which I suspect Musk is trying to do...Turning planets into giant labs where AI can be less constrained.

solipsism 10y ago
AI is impotent at making free decisions because it's deliberately constrained by the programmers to think rigidly and inside their own custom black box That's a strange assertion to make. And false. AI cannot make what you would call "free decisions" because it lacks the level of complexity necessary to trick you into thinking it can, the way your brain tricks you into thinking you make "free decisions". The idea that we're intentionally crippling AI because we have no room for it both overstates our ability to create intelligence and understates the financial incentives for anyone who creates it. mars where we can unleash AI and watch it make free decisions, which I suspect Musk is trying to do So, the real reasons he's given for wanting to go to Mars.. I guess those are just a smoke screen?
- spaceboy 10y ago
  > the way your brain tricks you into thinking you make "free decisions" It's my own experience that I have Free Will[1] without my brain tricking me. The idea of free will is not without controversy, though, and we could argue at length of whether it's truly free in the classical sense, or a mix of advice, persuasion, deliberation, and prohibition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will
  - solipsism 10y ago
    and we could argue at length of whether it's truly free in the classical sense, or a mix of advice, persuasion, deliberation, and prohibition No we couldn't because I don't entertain false choices. It's as deterministic as a game of billiards and you have no power to argue otherwise.
  - inimino 10y ago
    The idea that AI won't have free will, while the biological system that is you somehow does is quite odd. There's nothing about being a carbon-based life form that makes the laws of physics any less deterministic.

solipsism 10y ago

AI is impotent at making free decisions because it's deliberately constrained by the programmers to think rigidly and inside their own custom black box That's a strange assertion to make. And false. AI cannot make what you would call "free decisions" because it lacks the level of complexity necessary to trick you into thinking it can, the way your brain tricks you into thinking you make "free decisions". The idea that we're intentionally crippling AI because we have no room for it both overstates our ability to create intelligence and understates the financial incentives for anyone who creates it. mars where we can unleash AI and watch it make free decisions, which I suspect Musk is trying to do So, the real reasons he's given for wanting to go to Mars.. I guess those are just a smoke screen?

spaceboy 10y ago
> the way your brain tricks you into thinking you make "free decisions" It's my own experience that I have Free Will[1] without my brain tricking me. The idea of free will is not without controversy, though, and we could argue at length of whether it's truly free in the classical sense, or a mix of advice, persuasion, deliberation, and prohibition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will
- solipsism 10y ago
  and we could argue at length of whether it's truly free in the classical sense, or a mix of advice, persuasion, deliberation, and prohibition No we couldn't because I don't entertain false choices. It's as deterministic as a game of billiards and you have no power to argue otherwise.
- inimino 10y ago
  The idea that AI won't have free will, while the biological system that is you somehow does is quite odd. There's nothing about being a carbon-based life form that makes the laws of physics any less deterministic.