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1. The Falkland Islands are British territories. They are British because the population are British citizens and have repeatedly made it clear they wish to rem

by iuguy 10y ago

1. The Falkland Islands are British territories. They are British because the population are British citizens and have repeatedly made it clear they wish to remain so. 2. The UK has never gone to war with the Falkland Islands. Argentina invaded the Falkands in 1982.

owebmaster 10y ago
1. Just like Crimea?
- andybak 10y ago
  Whilst a hypothetical (and impossible in practise) fair referendum in Crimea prior to the Russian takeover might have shown some support, I doubt it would have been a landslide if it was even a victory. The Falklands however - would have voted 100% to remain part of Britain. It's a silly comparison in many ways but you can't get away with the statement you just made.
  - owebmaster 10y ago
    If you ask to a lot of cities, states and islands at the times if they wanted to be part of Bitrain, most would. This is not how sovereign limits should be deal.
- a-saleh 10y ago
  Are you suggesting that "Krym is Russian teritory" in a same way "Falklands are a British territory" ? Are you suggesting that Ukraine invaded Krym and Russia had to respond? I think that is flat out wrong. I am not saying that you can't be of an opinion that invasion of Falklands was not justified and annexation of Krym was. I am just saying that these two incidents are not comparable.
  - crdoconnor 10y ago
    A) Most Crimeans are ethnically Russians, B) The vote was ~94% to join Russia and was done in the presence of international observers (Ukraine didn't challenge the results of the election they challenged it on the basis that it was unconstitutional) and C) the invasion was a reaction to an elected president who represented their interests being deposed. Regardless of whom you believe is correct, the Russians kinda demonstrated more respect for Democracy with respect to Crimea than the West did.
    - geoka9 10y ago
      > Regardless of whom you believe is correct, the Russians kinda demonstrated more respect for Democracy with respect to Crimea than the West did. You mean the referendum, not election? Yeah, "kinda", just enough for some people to be able to say something like this (and even that not with a straight face). To say there was any "respect for democracy" is a joke. Girkin (leader of the Russian military squad that seized the Crimean Parliament building) later went on record saying that his soldiers basically had to force the parliament members into the building in the middle of the night and make them "vote" for the referendum (you can imagine what would've happened to those who'd refused)[1] The referendum date itself had been changed several times (if I remember correctly, from 2 months to 1 month to 2 weeks). You can't force an issue like that in 2 weeks and claim "respect for democracy". In fact, both of the questions asked at the referendum meant secession from Ukraine; i.e. it wasn't a simple "yes" or "no", it was essentially "secede immediately" or "do it a bit later". And, even if that hadn't been the case, for anybody to vote against it, they'd have to risk being abducted and killed by the pro-Russian militia[2][3][4] http://empr.media/news/russian-fsb-colonel-admits-crimean-mps-forced-to-vote-for-referendum/ http://empr.media/news/russian-fsb-colonel-admits-crimean-mp... http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/12/disappearing-crimea-anti-russia-activists-201412110405525656.html http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/12/disappeari... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11S2Vhkr-bc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11S2Vhkr-bc http://en.sobytiya.info/crimean-tatar-activist-kidnapped-in-crimea.html http://en.sobytiya.info/crimean-tatar-activist-kidnapped-in-...
  - owebmaster 10y ago
    I'm suggesting that the Ilhas Malvinas (not Falkland Island) is an argentinian territory occupied by force. Put a lot of british people there is not difficult, neither ask the argentinians there to pretend they are europeans.
- fictioncircle 10y ago
  So...90% of Crimeans voted to join the USSR in a fair and open election with international observers?
  - owebmaster 10y ago
    And to leave
    - fictioncircle 10y ago
      Evidence? A) No international observers were allowed. B) Russia President’s Human Rights Council mid-point estimate: 55 percent of polled voters for annexation, turnout 40 percent, 22.5 percent of total Crimean population voting in favor. C) Falklands was a UK territory, not invaded, and had free & fair elections with 90% in favor because they were scared of Argentina trying to annex them. Pretty much the opposite situation on all points. But please, go ahead and show evidence I am wrong ;) http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/05/putins-human-rights-council-accidentally-posts-real-crimean-election-results-only-15-voted-for-annexation/#105a203a10ff http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/05/p...
      - owebmaster 10y ago
        I love when people think the results they like are fair election and the others are rigged.
        fictioncircle 10y ago
        > I love when people think the results they like are fair election and the others are rigged. So you don't have any evidence and Russia was caught red handed that they lied about the results...and that is your response? LOL. K. Look, when you get caught lying about the election...yeah, people tend to believe the fact you are lying when it benefits you.
        owebmaster 10y ago
- iuguy 10y ago
  No, nothing like Crimea. The Falkland Islands were British territories in 1982 when Argentina invaded. The Crimea was Ukrainian territory in 2014 when it was Annexed by Russia.

by iuguy 10y ago

owebmaster 10y ago

1. Just like Crimea?

andybak 10y ago
Whilst a hypothetical (and impossible in practise) fair referendum in Crimea prior to the Russian takeover might have shown some support, I doubt it would have been a landslide if it was even a victory. The Falklands however - would have voted 100% to remain part of Britain. It's a silly comparison in many ways but you can't get away with the statement you just made.
- owebmaster 10y ago
  If you ask to a lot of cities, states and islands at the times if they wanted to be part of Bitrain, most would. This is not how sovereign limits should be deal.
a-saleh 10y ago
Are you suggesting that "Krym is Russian teritory" in a same way "Falklands are a British territory" ? Are you suggesting that Ukraine invaded Krym and Russia had to respond? I think that is flat out wrong. I am not saying that you can't be of an opinion that invasion of Falklands was not justified and annexation of Krym was. I am just saying that these two incidents are not comparable.
- crdoconnor 10y ago
  A) Most Crimeans are ethnically Russians, B) The vote was ~94% to join Russia and was done in the presence of international observers (Ukraine didn't challenge the results of the election they challenged it on the basis that it was unconstitutional) and C) the invasion was a reaction to an elected president who represented their interests being deposed. Regardless of whom you believe is correct, the Russians kinda demonstrated more respect for Democracy with respect to Crimea than the West did.
  - geoka9 10y ago
    > Regardless of whom you believe is correct, the Russians kinda demonstrated more respect for Democracy with respect to Crimea than the West did. You mean the referendum, not election? Yeah, "kinda", just enough for some people to be able to say something like this (and even that not with a straight face). To say there was any "respect for democracy" is a joke. Girkin (leader of the Russian military squad that seized the Crimean Parliament building) later went on record saying that his soldiers basically had to force the parliament members into the building in the middle of the night and make them "vote" for the referendum (you can imagine what would've happened to those who'd refused)[1] The referendum date itself had been changed several times (if I remember correctly, from 2 months to 1 month to 2 weeks). You can't force an issue like that in 2 weeks and claim "respect for democracy". In fact, both of the questions asked at the referendum meant secession from Ukraine; i.e. it wasn't a simple "yes" or "no", it was essentially "secede immediately" or "do it a bit later". And, even if that hadn't been the case, for anybody to vote against it, they'd have to risk being abducted and killed by the pro-Russian militia[2][3][4] http://empr.media/news/russian-fsb-colonel-admits-crimean-mps-forced-to-vote-for-referendum/ http://empr.media/news/russian-fsb-colonel-admits-crimean-mp... http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/12/disappearing-crimea-anti-russia-activists-201412110405525656.html http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/12/disappeari... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11S2Vhkr-bc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11S2Vhkr-bc http://en.sobytiya.info/crimean-tatar-activist-kidnapped-in-crimea.html http://en.sobytiya.info/crimean-tatar-activist-kidnapped-in-...
- owebmaster 10y ago
  I'm suggesting that the Ilhas Malvinas (not Falkland Island) is an argentinian territory occupied by force. Put a lot of british people there is not difficult, neither ask the argentinians there to pretend they are europeans.
fictioncircle 10y ago
So...90% of Crimeans voted to join the USSR in a fair and open election with international observers?
- owebmaster 10y ago
  And to leave
  - fictioncircle 10y ago
    Evidence? A) No international observers were allowed. B) Russia President’s Human Rights Council mid-point estimate: 55 percent of polled voters for annexation, turnout 40 percent, 22.5 percent of total Crimean population voting in favor. C) Falklands was a UK territory, not invaded, and had free & fair elections with 90% in favor because they were scared of Argentina trying to annex them. Pretty much the opposite situation on all points. But please, go ahead and show evidence I am wrong ;) http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/05/putins-human-rights-council-accidentally-posts-real-crimean-election-results-only-15-voted-for-annexation/#105a203a10ff http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/05/p...
    - owebmaster 10y ago
      I love when people think the results they like are fair election and the others are rigged.
      - fictioncircle 10y ago
        > I love when people think the results they like are fair election and the others are rigged. So you don't have any evidence and Russia was caught red handed that they lied about the results...and that is your response? LOL. K. Look, when you get caught lying about the election...yeah, people tend to believe the fact you are lying when it benefits you.
        owebmaster 10y ago
iuguy 10y ago
No, nothing like Crimea. The Falkland Islands were British territories in 1982 when Argentina invaded. The Crimea was Ukrainian territory in 2014 when it was Annexed by Russia.