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> Better to move sensitive conversations to things like Signal, WhatsApp, or Wire Really? Come on! WhatsApp is owned by a company whose business is done by re

by twsted 10y ago

> Better to move sensitive conversations to things like Signal, WhatsApp, or Wire Really? Come on! WhatsApp is owned by a company whose business is done by retrieving all the information it can from users and by tracking their behaviors.

tptacek 10y ago
Funny how it wasn't until after they were acquired by that company that they began the project to adopt the protocol that would make reading their messages cryptographically hard. It's almost as if you can't start from some tiny set of first principles about the world and use it to reason through any problem in a message board comment.
- twsted 10y ago
  > Funny how it wasn't until after they were acquired by that company that they began the project to adopt the protocol that would make reading their messages cryptographically hard. Perhaps you don't remember this: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/28/whatsapp-pause-sharing-user-data-facebook-european-privacy-regulators-yahoo https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/28/whatsapp-... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/17/facebook-halts-use-of-whatsapp-data-for-advertising-in-europe https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/17/facebook-... Can't parse your second sentence, sorry.
- tanderson92 10y ago
  We never trusted Microsoft with their practice of Embrace-Extend-Extinguish. Why should we trust Facebook here? If Facebook were collaborating with the NSA I see no reason they'd operate differently than we see from the outside now.
matheusmoreira 10y ago
WhatsApp doesn't just support¹ Signal's end-to-end encryption, it enables it by default for everyone with no option to turn it off. It successfully prevented my government² from decrypting user messages even with court orders. It's a major improvement over whatever bolted-on security email has. ¹ https://whispersystems.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/ https://whispersystems.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/ ² https://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2016/05/03/whatsapp-founder-brazil-shut-down-facebook/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2016/05/03/whatsapp-...

by twsted 10y ago

tptacek 10y ago

Funny how it wasn't until after they were acquired by that company that they began the project to adopt the protocol that would make reading their messages cryptographically hard. It's almost as if you can't start from some tiny set of first principles about the world and use it to reason through any problem in a message board comment.

twsted 10y ago
> Funny how it wasn't until after they were acquired by that company that they began the project to adopt the protocol that would make reading their messages cryptographically hard. Perhaps you don't remember this: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/28/whatsapp-pause-sharing-user-data-facebook-european-privacy-regulators-yahoo https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/28/whatsapp-... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/17/facebook-halts-use-of-whatsapp-data-for-advertising-in-europe https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/17/facebook-... Can't parse your second sentence, sorry.
tanderson92 10y ago
We never trusted Microsoft with their practice of Embrace-Extend-Extinguish. Why should we trust Facebook here? If Facebook were collaborating with the NSA I see no reason they'd operate differently than we see from the outside now.

matheusmoreira 10y ago

WhatsApp doesn't just support¹ Signal's end-to-end encryption, it enables it by default for everyone with no option to turn it off. It successfully prevented my government² from decrypting user messages even with court orders. It's a major improvement over whatever bolted-on security email has. ¹ https://whispersystems.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/ https://whispersystems.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/ ² https://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2016/05/03/whatsapp-founder-brazil-shut-down-facebook/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2016/05/03/whatsapp-...