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Google's embrace-extend-extinguish destroyed XMPP. They made their chat system XMPP compatible for a short time which caused many people to swap to their soluti

by RyanZAG 10y ago

Google's embrace-extend-extinguish destroyed XMPP. They made their chat system XMPP compatible for a short time which caused many people to swap to their solution. When they ended support, most users simply stopped using XMPP.

problems 10y ago
Did you also notice that Google's messaging system pretty much died out around that point in favor of Skype and similar? I used to see people mention GTalk all the time, but I haven't seen anything similar in years. No one has mentioned G+ or Allo. That decision by Google may have been the thing that killed its user base.
- ryanbrunner 10y ago
  Hangouts (which I think GTalk turned into) still has some usage - certainly as a quick video conf call solution, and somewhat for text messaging. It definitely doesn't seem to have much of a future though since Google released a bunch of other competing chat applications.
  - gregmac 10y ago
    It's unfortunate because Hangouts is still really awesome. It works really well for video chat (including group chat), but more importantly it works great with multiple devices. I can get a message on my phone, laptop or PC, and reply anywhere, with the conversation and notifications synchronized. I nearly always have my phone with me, but it's really nice to be able to just send someone a link from my PC, for example. It looks like Telegram has multi-device support, but then this kind of thing scares me: > Q: How are you going to make money out of this? > We believe in fast and secure messaging that is also 100% free. > Pavel Durov, who shares our vision, supplied Telegram with a generous donation, so we have quite enough money for the time being. If Telegram runs out, we will introduce non-essential paid options to support the infrastructure and finance developer salaries. But making profits will never be a goal for Telegram. That's not very compelling in terms of investing my effort to switch.
- my_ghola 10y ago
  No, it turned into Hangouts, which is alive and kicking, specially for companies using Google Apps.
  - x0x0 10y ago
    But really only internally, at least in my experience
DiThi 10y ago
Even worse, Google never federated with encryption, then Hangouts killed group chats which were XMPP compatible. A few friends and I resisted with several XMPP accounts until they moved to Hangouts. Not to mention all the JEPs that solved the same problems as Hangouts that Google plain ignored for years.
kyrra 10y ago
The rumor[0] was that Google killed XMPP because Microsoft was doing 1-way federation (Microsoft would not broadcast availability status or typing indicators). [0] http://www.ucstrategies.com/unified-communications-strategies-views/betting-on-xmpp.aspx http://www.ucstrategies.com/unified-communications-strategie...

by RyanZAG 10y ago

problems 10y ago

Did you also notice that Google's messaging system pretty much died out around that point in favor of Skype and similar? I used to see people mention GTalk all the time, but I haven't seen anything similar in years. No one has mentioned G+ or Allo. That decision by Google may have been the thing that killed its user base.

ryanbrunner 10y ago
Hangouts (which I think GTalk turned into) still has some usage - certainly as a quick video conf call solution, and somewhat for text messaging. It definitely doesn't seem to have much of a future though since Google released a bunch of other competing chat applications.
- gregmac 10y ago
  It's unfortunate because Hangouts is still really awesome. It works really well for video chat (including group chat), but more importantly it works great with multiple devices. I can get a message on my phone, laptop or PC, and reply anywhere, with the conversation and notifications synchronized. I nearly always have my phone with me, but it's really nice to be able to just send someone a link from my PC, for example. It looks like Telegram has multi-device support, but then this kind of thing scares me: > Q: How are you going to make money out of this? > We believe in fast and secure messaging that is also 100% free. > Pavel Durov, who shares our vision, supplied Telegram with a generous donation, so we have quite enough money for the time being. If Telegram runs out, we will introduce non-essential paid options to support the infrastructure and finance developer salaries. But making profits will never be a goal for Telegram. That's not very compelling in terms of investing my effort to switch.
my_ghola 10y ago
No, it turned into Hangouts, which is alive and kicking, specially for companies using Google Apps.
- x0x0 10y ago
  But really only internally, at least in my experience

DiThi 10y ago

Even worse, Google never federated with encryption, then Hangouts killed group chats which were XMPP compatible. A few friends and I resisted with several XMPP accounts until they moved to Hangouts. Not to mention all the JEPs that solved the same problems as Hangouts that Google plain ignored for years.

kyrra 10y ago

The rumor[0] was that Google killed XMPP because Microsoft was doing 1-way federation (Microsoft would not broadcast availability status or typing indicators). [0] http://www.ucstrategies.com/unified-communications-strategies-views/betting-on-xmpp.aspx http://www.ucstrategies.com/unified-communications-strategie...