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The fifth amendment is of course broad, but is it so broad that the president signing a piece of paper can be considered due process? Even if everyone has perf

The fifth amendment is of course broad, but is it so broad that the president signing a piece of paper can be considered due process? Even if everyone has perfect intentions (doubtful), you need checks and balances to prevent human error.

raverbashing 10y ago
I'm sure the area where US laws apply can be discussed to greater lengths, but they're not applicable outside of the (geographical) US, regardless if you're a citizen or not. Even if the subject of the action is an US citizen. (except for the taxation of non-resident citizens, which is a whole can of worms I'm sure) This is for better or worse. Extra-judicial killings happen a lot. In the case of self-defense for example. "Cop thought the suspect had a gun" is a mistake that happens often, but it can be legitimate as well.
- jaredklewis 10y ago
  I don't know why you think your constitutional rights disappear outside the geographic US. That is not the case. Constitutional rights protect citizens from our government regardless of their physical location. Indeed, geography was not a part of the Obama administration's justification. As for your other point, self defense is a long established affirmative defense for murder, yes. However that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. If the government has a case to kill a citizen, that case needs to be made in court and evaluated by a jury of peers.
  - raverbashing 10y ago
    > Constitutional rights protect citizens from our government regardless of their physical location. Well, the constitution is the rules and limits that apply to the US Government mainly (for the benefit of not only the US citizens). However the Constitution is pretty much defined as the Law of the Land (Article VI https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_America https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_St... ) And if the case is as you describe then it seems it's a case for a federal prosecutor to make in Court.

raverbashing 10y ago

I'm sure the area where US laws apply can be discussed to greater lengths, but they're not applicable outside of the (geographical) US, regardless if you're a citizen or not. Even if the subject of the action is an US citizen. (except for the taxation of non-resident citizens, which is a whole can of worms I'm sure) This is for better or worse. Extra-judicial killings happen a lot. In the case of self-defense for example. "Cop thought the suspect had a gun" is a mistake that happens often, but it can be legitimate as well.

jaredklewis 10y ago
I don't know why you think your constitutional rights disappear outside the geographic US. That is not the case. Constitutional rights protect citizens from our government regardless of their physical location. Indeed, geography was not a part of the Obama administration's justification. As for your other point, self defense is a long established affirmative defense for murder, yes. However that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. If the government has a case to kill a citizen, that case needs to be made in court and evaluated by a jury of peers.
- raverbashing 10y ago
  > Constitutional rights protect citizens from our government regardless of their physical location. Well, the constitution is the rules and limits that apply to the US Government mainly (for the benefit of not only the US citizens). However the Constitution is pretty much defined as the Law of the Land (Article VI https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_America https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_St... ) And if the case is as you describe then it seems it's a case for a federal prosecutor to make in Court.