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So you are saying we can't enforce our existing regulations, so the answer is to create new regulations. I say enforce the existing, narrowly tailored regulati

So you are saying we can't enforce our existing regulations, so the answer is to create new regulations. I say enforce the existing, narrowly tailored regulations before creating new, broad ones.

vacri 10y ago
So what are you going to do when tourists can't afford to immediately pay a $500 on-the-spot fine? Drag them off to jail? Are you really willing to jail people over a noise complaint? Your local Chamber of Commerce is going to love that. > narrowly tailored ... broad Obviously enforcement of the existing broad regulations isn't working, so we should create new narrowly tailored ones instead. This spin-doctoring stuff is fun!
- willholloway 10y ago
  Thats a nice straw man you created there and then argued against. Of course we can fine people that live in other jurisdictions as we do with speeding tickets, and no one is dragged off to jail and fines are not collected on the spot.
  - vacri 10y ago
    Speeding tickets are where the government holds all the information on the person. Fining a tourist AirBnBer requires getting a warrant to get information out of a private company. How much effort do you think is going to go into pursuing a noise complaint? If you're not on-the-spot fining, just how many resources do you think the police will throw at pursuing that? Are you aware also that tourists come from outside the country? Speeding tickets aren't particularly enforceable in that case.
    - willholloway 10y ago
      AirBnB has entered into tax collection and information sharning agreements with State governments. Can we not add a system for sharing information for legitimate police noise complaints? I think we can. I would like to see us come up with creative and tech based solutions for potential problems with vacation rentals, rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There are a lot of good coming from vacation rentals, and a lot of people love them. I am just very much against the idea that if any new thing inconveniences or even potentially inconveniences anyone in even a minor way, we should outright blanket ban it. And that is what the people pushing for punitive bans are saying. Find solutions. Penalize bad actors. Don't practice group punishment. Screen guests with more and better data. Don't just ban the "other"

So you are saying we can't enforce our existing regulations, so the answer is to create new regulations. I say enforce the existing, narrowly tailored regulations before creating new, broad ones.

vacri 10y ago

So what are you going to do when tourists can't afford to immediately pay a $500 on-the-spot fine? Drag them off to jail? Are you really willing to jail people over a noise complaint? Your local Chamber of Commerce is going to love that. > narrowly tailored ... broad Obviously enforcement of the existing broad regulations isn't working, so we should create new narrowly tailored ones instead. This spin-doctoring stuff is fun!

willholloway 10y ago
Thats a nice straw man you created there and then argued against. Of course we can fine people that live in other jurisdictions as we do with speeding tickets, and no one is dragged off to jail and fines are not collected on the spot.
- vacri 10y ago
  Speeding tickets are where the government holds all the information on the person. Fining a tourist AirBnBer requires getting a warrant to get information out of a private company. How much effort do you think is going to go into pursuing a noise complaint? If you're not on-the-spot fining, just how many resources do you think the police will throw at pursuing that? Are you aware also that tourists come from outside the country? Speeding tickets aren't particularly enforceable in that case.
  - willholloway 10y ago
    AirBnB has entered into tax collection and information sharning agreements with State governments. Can we not add a system for sharing information for legitimate police noise complaints? I think we can. I would like to see us come up with creative and tech based solutions for potential problems with vacation rentals, rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There are a lot of good coming from vacation rentals, and a lot of people love them. I am just very much against the idea that if any new thing inconveniences or even potentially inconveniences anyone in even a minor way, we should outright blanket ban it. And that is what the people pushing for punitive bans are saying. Find solutions. Penalize bad actors. Don't practice group punishment. Screen guests with more and better data. Don't just ban the "other"