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If it is all 1s and 0s, I am curious how you feel about the NSA having a good deal of your personal information stored on their drives?

jessaustin 10y ago
Do we get to choose to live in a world where that isn't the case? No? Hey that sounds like a good reason to have fewer laws we can be parallel-constructed into violating.
- Paul-ish 10y ago
  >Do we get to choose to live in a world where that isn't the case? No? Why not? Or, maybe a better question is, why do you think you could legalize child porn easier than we could outlaw or end programs like PRISM?
  - followmoney 10y ago
    Few powerful forces oppose legal child porn. Very little money is on the line with CP and very few powerful people would be diminished if CP was legal. To outlaw or end programs like PRISM you'd have to take on the entire political establishment, the military industrial complex and all branches of the judiciary and law enforcement. It'd be far easier to legalize CP than do away with PRISM and the like.
    - jessaustin 10y ago
      This is the right way to analyze the situation, except we must remember that CP is of instrumental value to the legal racket, which is closely allied to MIC. CP gets them in all sorts of dubious positions, and spending lots of sweet taxpayer money, that they otherwise couldn't justify. "Legalizing CP" wouldn't have the effects we seek on the legal system as a whole, because they'd substitute some other issue (if one had to guess, "intellectual property" probably has the interest of various power players...) so they could continue business as usual.
- herbst 10y ago
  > Do we get to choose to live in a world where that isn't the case? Kind of. I do my best to avoid any relation with the U.S. including avoiding visiting it, taking up a job or incoorperate there. So even thought i am monitored by some shitty govs, there is no legal way that it means anything.
joncrocks 10y ago
The obvious retort is that having it on a hard drive isn't the crime, the act of collecting it is. So it's the act and not the possession that is the crime. I would note as a counter-counter argument that we often make things illegal that are not in themselves harmful, but can lead to harm.

jessaustin 10y ago

Do we get to choose to live in a world where that isn't the case? No? Hey that sounds like a good reason to have fewer laws we can be parallel-constructed into violating.

Paul-ish 10y ago
>Do we get to choose to live in a world where that isn't the case? No? Why not? Or, maybe a better question is, why do you think you could legalize child porn easier than we could outlaw or end programs like PRISM?
- followmoney 10y ago
  Few powerful forces oppose legal child porn. Very little money is on the line with CP and very few powerful people would be diminished if CP was legal. To outlaw or end programs like PRISM you'd have to take on the entire political establishment, the military industrial complex and all branches of the judiciary and law enforcement. It'd be far easier to legalize CP than do away with PRISM and the like.
  - jessaustin 10y ago
    This is the right way to analyze the situation, except we must remember that CP is of instrumental value to the legal racket, which is closely allied to MIC. CP gets them in all sorts of dubious positions, and spending lots of sweet taxpayer money, that they otherwise couldn't justify. "Legalizing CP" wouldn't have the effects we seek on the legal system as a whole, because they'd substitute some other issue (if one had to guess, "intellectual property" probably has the interest of various power players...) so they could continue business as usual.
herbst 10y ago
> Do we get to choose to live in a world where that isn't the case? Kind of. I do my best to avoid any relation with the U.S. including avoiding visiting it, taking up a job or incoorperate there. So even thought i am monitored by some shitty govs, there is no legal way that it means anything.

joncrocks 10y ago

The obvious retort is that having it on a hard drive isn't the crime, the act of collecting it is. So it's the act and not the possession that is the crime. I would note as a counter-counter argument that we often make things illegal that are not in themselves harmful, but can lead to harm.