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Exactly - and some smart people do actually have "dumb" phones. Or sometimes I think about ditching my GUI Linux for something really basic - same reason why s

Exactly - and some smart people do actually have "dumb" phones. Or sometimes I think about ditching my GUI Linux for something really basic - same reason why some people stick with dumb phones - now what happens if I hand over full control over my neat z-shell to the TSA? Will he grep around or just consider me dangerous?

Canada 10y ago
They're just going to copy the data off and some software will look for things by hash. It would not surprisee if at some point, if we leave this tyranny unchecked, we will all be forced to hand over our devices while deboarding so they can be scanned while we wait in line for initial interrogation.
psybin 10y ago
The documentation that comes when you are compelled to give over keys mentions that they will retain complete copies of any disks, drives, flash card, any piece of data until it is no longer relevant (read, forever).
jakobdabo 10y ago
I suggest installing a shell OS (with a neat GUI, no hacker-ish looks) on the Notebook's first partition, the rest (where the main Linux installation is residing) will be encrypted and can be decrypted and booted into only using a USB bootloader with the missing LUKS header (which can be downloaded later using a VPN, for example).
- psybin 10y ago
  If they ask you "is there any hidden data on this device", you would have to respond in the affirmative. Lying to a border guard is a felony, there's no cute technical solution to this. They will, according to their own paperwork, make copies of any data they find interesting for future analysis.
  - jakobdabo 10y ago
    Hmm, what if we keep some encrypted porn in the shell OS? "Yep, there is hidden data. Do I really need to decrypt my special folder because I really wouldn't like to? OK then, the password is.." Disclaimer: this is all being speculative, of course. I'm not suggesting to lie to or misdirect a border guard in a real-life situation.
    - zeroer 10y ago
      Good work, you've just confessed to a crime. Importing pornography into the US is illegal. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/us-customs-is-required-to-seize-your-dick-pics-when-you-cross-the-border https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/us-customs-is-req...
      - jakobdabo 10y ago
        I'm speechless. For the sake of this discussion, replace porn with old passport scans and unimportant banking documents, for example.
        psybin 10y ago
        Misleading border guards with statements and behaviour like that is also a felony.
        soneil 10y ago
        This is a perfect example of why the correct place to fight this is at the judiciary. Trying to outsmart the border guards essentially makes you a smuggler. Sure you're trying to smuggle your own personal data rather anything nefarious, but either way - you're trying to beat them at their own game, on their own turf, where they have every advantage, constant practice, and effectively get to write their own rules. Every fantastic example you dream up, you have to pray no-one's thought of it before. The game's rigged. The only real way to win is to double down on the legal position of such searches.
  - teknologist 10y ago

Canada 10y ago

They're just going to copy the data off and some software will look for things by hash. It would not surprisee if at some point, if we leave this tyranny unchecked, we will all be forced to hand over our devices while deboarding so they can be scanned while we wait in line for initial interrogation.

psybin 10y ago

The documentation that comes when you are compelled to give over keys mentions that they will retain complete copies of any disks, drives, flash card, any piece of data until it is no longer relevant (read, forever).

jakobdabo 10y ago

I suggest installing a shell OS (with a neat GUI, no hacker-ish looks) on the Notebook's first partition, the rest (where the main Linux installation is residing) will be encrypted and can be decrypted and booted into only using a USB bootloader with the missing LUKS header (which can be downloaded later using a VPN, for example).

psybin 10y ago
If they ask you "is there any hidden data on this device", you would have to respond in the affirmative. Lying to a border guard is a felony, there's no cute technical solution to this. They will, according to their own paperwork, make copies of any data they find interesting for future analysis.
- jakobdabo 10y ago
  Hmm, what if we keep some encrypted porn in the shell OS? "Yep, there is hidden data. Do I really need to decrypt my special folder because I really wouldn't like to? OK then, the password is.." Disclaimer: this is all being speculative, of course. I'm not suggesting to lie to or misdirect a border guard in a real-life situation.
  - zeroer 10y ago
    Good work, you've just confessed to a crime. Importing pornography into the US is illegal. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/us-customs-is-required-to-seize-your-dick-pics-when-you-cross-the-border https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/us-customs-is-req...
    - jakobdabo 10y ago
      I'm speechless. For the sake of this discussion, replace porn with old passport scans and unimportant banking documents, for example.
      - psybin 10y ago
        Misleading border guards with statements and behaviour like that is also a felony.
      - soneil 10y ago
        This is a perfect example of why the correct place to fight this is at the judiciary. Trying to outsmart the border guards essentially makes you a smuggler. Sure you're trying to smuggle your own personal data rather anything nefarious, but either way - you're trying to beat them at their own game, on their own turf, where they have every advantage, constant practice, and effectively get to write their own rules. Every fantastic example you dream up, you have to pray no-one's thought of it before. The game's rigged. The only real way to win is to double down on the legal position of such searches.
- teknologist 10y ago