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Conceivably, it's quite possible he had information which is subject to ITAR regulations, including data about sensors, mirrors. At the very least, he probably

by batbomb 10y ago

Conceivably, it's quite possible he had information which is subject to ITAR regulations, including data about sensors, mirrors. At the very least, he probably had sensor vendor specifications which are trade secrets and often covered under NDAs.

yardie 10y ago
Did you bother to read the article? He was detained coming into the country. Just call a spade a spade. Trump wrote a shitty, racist executive order and people from all walks of life who happen to have one thing in common, a Muslim sounding name, are caught up in it.
- return0 10y ago
  There is zero indication this had anything to do with the ban, he was not held detained , but his phone was. I think it's part of his job, and the verge is creating straw men
  - yardie 10y ago
    You and I have very different definitions of detained then. 40 minutes? So everyone around him was detained in detaining room, with sleeping cots, but he wasn't? Please explain that one? And ITAR has fuck all to do with reentering the country.
    - ptaipale 10y ago
      40 minutes is nothing on many border crossings.
    - batbomb 10y ago
      As said in another thread: I was making an observation that he was possibly forced to divulge sensitive information, which is messed up.
    - donarb 10y ago
      Also, the time was longer than 40 minutes. He waited that long before talking with someone following detention. He then was forced to give up his phone/password and waited another 30 minutes while it was searched.
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- Mikeb85 10y ago
  Then why does our liberal, free country (Canada) with a Liberal government do the same thing?
  - yardie 10y ago
    Do Canadians honestly believe their shit don't stink?
    - Mikeb85 10y ago
      No, just tired of all the virtue signalling that left-wingers are doing these days, when Obama merely continued the shitty policies that Bush started (and Clinton wasn't any better), and our Liberal government is continuing most of the shitty policies the Harper government started, and is even breaking election promises already. Canada is in general more willing to criticize our politicians on both sides, but the virtue signalling has been out of control since the US elected a president that says mean things, but is otherwise not much different than any US government of the last 35 or so years. Edit - Should also add, I vote left more than right. I believe in progressive economic policy. However if the left doesn't get their shit together, and just keeps pretending that identity politics actually help, keeps pretending there isn't a problem with globalism and excess immigration, the result will be disastrous. Right wingers are at least seeing the problem, probably because they've been largely excluded from power in many countries for the last decades. I don't like their solutions, but burying your head in the sand doesn't help either. Sorry for the rant.
      - yardie 10y ago
        If you missed out there were a lot of lefties who didn't vote for Clinton. Paving the way for Trump. Hell, I know lots of libertarians who voted for him in protest not actually expecting him to win. Speaking of globalism where was the right wing during the WIPO protests? So the right didn't recognize globalism would be a problem until it started to be a problem. Meanwhile the lefties, the really old ones, were out there protesting in Seattle and NYC, London.
- shripadk 10y ago
  How is "Sidd Bikkannavar" even remotely "Muslim sounding"? It's a Hindu name. He probably shortened it from "Siddarth" Bikkannavar to Sidd Bikkannavar like most Hindus in foreign countries do. Bikkannavar is a place in Karnataka, India. Maybe that is his parent's place of origin.
  - yborg 10y ago
    Does it sound like a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant name to you? These border cops aren't exactly the cream of the law enforcement crop, if it sounds foreign, time to search! Because ISIS will of course send people here for terrorism named "Achmed al-Jihadi" and not "Bob Smith".
  - yardie 10y ago
    This is the USA were talking about. Have a turban? You're probably Muslim. Funny sound, non-Latin name? Possibly Muslim. I'm sure some family of a CBP agent or super patriot will jump in to defend them. The CBP answers to no one except the president so good luck in getting a legitimate reason from them.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    Facebook created a new feature. They made an ad for it. The ad included a Sikh person. http://www.salon.com/2014/12/10/whats_up_with_the_rag_head_when_i_starred_in_a_facebook_ad/ http://www.salon.com/2014/12/10/whats_up_with_the_rag_head_w...
  - anigbrowl 10y ago
    One furriner is very much like another. I've had to explain to people worried about a Sikh temple that Sikhism is its own religion. Lots of people are neither well aware of nor interested in the rest of the world, they only like what they already know.
    - LyndsySimon 10y ago
      > One furriner is very much like another. The irony of your mocking my accent while trying to cast people who share it as bigoted is not lost on me.
- ptaipale 10y ago
  This issue has nothing to do with Trump's executive order. The Verge does a neat job of confusing the two - I believe intentionally - but the rule that devices can be searched at the border is much older. http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/supreme-court-phone-warrant-us-border/ http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/supreme-court-phone-warrant-u... This is not Trump, Obama or even Bush; the US Supreme Court decision is from 1997. Then there is that questioning about social media accounts. That also isn't by Trump administration, it was Obama, last year. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/foreign-travelers-social-media-232930 http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/foreign-travelers-soci... Sure, call a spade a spade, but spade is not trump now. (Is this rubber bridge or what?)
pjc50 10y ago
Are you implying they searched him for ITAR violations on the way back into the country? I'm confused.
- lawnchair_larry 10y ago
  They can't search him when he is leaving, so that does make sense.
- batbomb 10y ago
  No, not sure why I'm being downvoted. I was making an observation based on similar experience (with respect to sensors) that he potentially had sensitive information in emails he was forced to divulge.
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planteen 10y ago
He shouldn't have brought anything ITAR sensitive with him out of the country on his phone. At a previous job, we were explicitly told to get a "travel" laptop which was wiped clean.
0xfeba 10y ago
And CBP would still not be the right agency to determine that.

by batbomb 10y ago

yardie 10y ago

Did you bother to read the article? He was detained coming into the country. Just call a spade a spade. Trump wrote a shitty, racist executive order and people from all walks of life who happen to have one thing in common, a Muslim sounding name, are caught up in it.

return0 10y ago
There is zero indication this had anything to do with the ban, he was not held detained , but his phone was. I think it's part of his job, and the verge is creating straw men
- yardie 10y ago
  You and I have very different definitions of detained then. 40 minutes? So everyone around him was detained in detaining room, with sleeping cots, but he wasn't? Please explain that one? And ITAR has fuck all to do with reentering the country.
  - ptaipale 10y ago
    40 minutes is nothing on many border crossings.
  - batbomb 10y ago
    As said in another thread: I was making an observation that he was possibly forced to divulge sensitive information, which is messed up.
  - donarb 10y ago
    Also, the time was longer than 40 minutes. He waited that long before talking with someone following detention. He then was forced to give up his phone/password and waited another 30 minutes while it was searched.
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Mikeb85 10y ago
Then why does our liberal, free country (Canada) with a Liberal government do the same thing?
- yardie 10y ago
  Do Canadians honestly believe their shit don't stink?
  - Mikeb85 10y ago
    No, just tired of all the virtue signalling that left-wingers are doing these days, when Obama merely continued the shitty policies that Bush started (and Clinton wasn't any better), and our Liberal government is continuing most of the shitty policies the Harper government started, and is even breaking election promises already. Canada is in general more willing to criticize our politicians on both sides, but the virtue signalling has been out of control since the US elected a president that says mean things, but is otherwise not much different than any US government of the last 35 or so years. Edit - Should also add, I vote left more than right. I believe in progressive economic policy. However if the left doesn't get their shit together, and just keeps pretending that identity politics actually help, keeps pretending there isn't a problem with globalism and excess immigration, the result will be disastrous. Right wingers are at least seeing the problem, probably because they've been largely excluded from power in many countries for the last decades. I don't like their solutions, but burying your head in the sand doesn't help either. Sorry for the rant.
    - yardie 10y ago
      If you missed out there were a lot of lefties who didn't vote for Clinton. Paving the way for Trump. Hell, I know lots of libertarians who voted for him in protest not actually expecting him to win. Speaking of globalism where was the right wing during the WIPO protests? So the right didn't recognize globalism would be a problem until it started to be a problem. Meanwhile the lefties, the really old ones, were out there protesting in Seattle and NYC, London.
shripadk 10y ago
How is "Sidd Bikkannavar" even remotely "Muslim sounding"? It's a Hindu name. He probably shortened it from "Siddarth" Bikkannavar to Sidd Bikkannavar like most Hindus in foreign countries do. Bikkannavar is a place in Karnataka, India. Maybe that is his parent's place of origin.
- yborg 10y ago
  Does it sound like a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant name to you? These border cops aren't exactly the cream of the law enforcement crop, if it sounds foreign, time to search! Because ISIS will of course send people here for terrorism named "Achmed al-Jihadi" and not "Bob Smith".
- yardie 10y ago
  This is the USA were talking about. Have a turban? You're probably Muslim. Funny sound, non-Latin name? Possibly Muslim. I'm sure some family of a CBP agent or super patriot will jump in to defend them. The CBP answers to no one except the president so good luck in getting a legitimate reason from them.
- DanBC 10y ago
  Facebook created a new feature. They made an ad for it. The ad included a Sikh person. http://www.salon.com/2014/12/10/whats_up_with_the_rag_head_when_i_starred_in_a_facebook_ad/ http://www.salon.com/2014/12/10/whats_up_with_the_rag_head_w...
- anigbrowl 10y ago
  One furriner is very much like another. I've had to explain to people worried about a Sikh temple that Sikhism is its own religion. Lots of people are neither well aware of nor interested in the rest of the world, they only like what they already know.
  - LyndsySimon 10y ago
    > One furriner is very much like another. The irony of your mocking my accent while trying to cast people who share it as bigoted is not lost on me.
ptaipale 10y ago
This issue has nothing to do with Trump's executive order. The Verge does a neat job of confusing the two - I believe intentionally - but the rule that devices can be searched at the border is much older. http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/supreme-court-phone-warrant-us-border/ http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/supreme-court-phone-warrant-u... This is not Trump, Obama or even Bush; the US Supreme Court decision is from 1997. Then there is that questioning about social media accounts. That also isn't by Trump administration, it was Obama, last year. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/foreign-travelers-social-media-232930 http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/foreign-travelers-soci... Sure, call a spade a spade, but spade is not trump now. (Is this rubber bridge or what?)

pjc50 10y ago

Are you implying they searched him for ITAR violations on the way back into the country? I'm confused.

lawnchair_larry 10y ago
They can't search him when he is leaving, so that does make sense.
batbomb 10y ago
No, not sure why I'm being downvoted. I was making an observation based on similar experience (with respect to sensors) that he potentially had sensitive information in emails he was forced to divulge.
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planteen 10y ago

He shouldn't have brought anything ITAR sensitive with him out of the country on his phone. At a previous job, we were explicitly told to get a "travel" laptop which was wiped clean.

0xfeba 10y ago

And CBP would still not be the right agency to determine that.