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Kindly read the article.

by mskvsk 10y ago

jwildeboer 10y ago
I did: "[I] decided to make a little tool to help me scrape the posts of my competitors and publish them to my group on a regular basis." And "I had created a spicy mix of public domain content, some supposedly copyrighted content from unknown authors, [...]" I found this particularly striking: "Usually it was the content of some authors that were difficult to track and attribute to. Sometimes it was blatant plagiarism." So you were/are well aware of the problem. But instead of Doing The Right Thing (find out source, ask for permission) you just declare that to be difficult (and yes. It is. Full ACK).
- mskvsk 10y ago
  Yes, you're right. But my point was that it's not difficult to address this issue. It's impossible in the Russian market. That's why I asked you to reread the article (sorry, I should be more precise on the reason).
aaron-lebo 10y ago
edit: similar thread exists
- gbuk2013 10y ago
  > Copyright is also a legitimate concern Spoken like someone with no understanding of the local market. ;) Just as an example, until not that long ago VK was used to post music and films without any restrictions. I think this has now been stopped (not a VK user but there was a court case a few years ago about it and the government has since tightened copyright enforcement) but should give you an idea about how little concern people attach to copyright. You should also keep in mind that copyright didn't exist in the Soviet Union as such, so the idea is quite alien to people and they are still getting used to it.
  - mskvsk 10y ago
    Exactly. Thanks for the clarification. I should have addressed this issue in the article, though.
yjftsjthsd-h 10y ago
Okay, I went and read it, and GP appears to be right. The basis for the whole thing is "a little tool to help me scrape the posts of my competitors and publish them to my group on a regular basis" upgraded and offered to others in a SAAS model. Don't get me wrong, the engineering is decent, the marketing is brilliant (if questionable - if you mention that you're exploiting a loophole to message clients, maybe you are actually spamming), and the whole thing is well executed. None of that gets around the fact that this is all built around a tool that literally exists to automate plagiarism.
- mskvsk 10y ago
  You are absolutely right, the entire ecosystem facilitates plagiarism. And I don't mean Postio only, Vk.com and all other Russian social platforms do very little to protect copyrighted content. In fact, they do nothing. However, even in this ecosystem, I tried to do my best to deal with that issue by paying at least some attention to crediting the authors back by means of watermarks and negotiating the conditions upon which their content is taken. This is the reason I asked to reread the article. Remember, it's the Russian market, and some things that will apply in the global market, simply don't apply there. Whether it's good or bad is besides the point of this article. Thanks for the raising the question, it's absolutely legit.

Kindly read the article.

by mskvsk 10y ago

Kindly read the article.

I did: "[I] decided to make a little tool to help me scrape the posts of my competitors and publish them to my group on a regular basis." And "I had created a spicy mix of public domain content, some supposedly copyrighted content from unknown authors, [...]" I found this particularly striking: "Usually it was the content of some authors that were difficult to track and attribute to. Sometimes it was blatant plagiarism." So you were/are well aware of the problem. But instead of Doing The Right Thing (find out source, ask for permission) you just declare that to be difficult (and yes. It is. Full ACK).

mskvsk 10y ago
Yes, you're right. But my point was that it's not difficult to address this issue. It's impossible in the Russian market. That's why I asked you to reread the article (sorry, I should be more precise on the reason).

aaron-lebo 10y ago

edit: similar thread exists

gbuk2013 10y ago
> Copyright is also a legitimate concern Spoken like someone with no understanding of the local market. ;) Just as an example, until not that long ago VK was used to post music and films without any restrictions. I think this has now been stopped (not a VK user but there was a court case a few years ago about it and the government has since tightened copyright enforcement) but should give you an idea about how little concern people attach to copyright. You should also keep in mind that copyright didn't exist in the Soviet Union as such, so the idea is quite alien to people and they are still getting used to it.
- mskvsk 10y ago
  Exactly. Thanks for the clarification. I should have addressed this issue in the article, though.

yjftsjthsd-h 10y ago

Okay, I went and read it, and GP appears to be right. The basis for the whole thing is "a little tool to help me scrape the posts of my competitors and publish them to my group on a regular basis" upgraded and offered to others in a SAAS model. Don't get me wrong, the engineering is decent, the marketing is brilliant (if questionable - if you mention that you're exploiting a loophole to message clients, maybe you are actually spamming), and the whole thing is well executed. None of that gets around the fact that this is all built around a tool that literally exists to automate plagiarism.

mskvsk 10y ago
You are absolutely right, the entire ecosystem facilitates plagiarism. And I don't mean Postio only, Vk.com and all other Russian social platforms do very little to protect copyrighted content. In fact, they do nothing. However, even in this ecosystem, I tried to do my best to deal with that issue by paying at least some attention to crediting the authors back by means of watermarks and negotiating the conditions upon which their content is taken. This is the reason I asked to reread the article. Remember, it's the Russian market, and some things that will apply in the global market, simply don't apply there. Whether it's good or bad is besides the point of this article. Thanks for the raising the question, it's absolutely legit.