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I would say everything except option (a). additionally, it's possible that data streams are drying up into the NSA (i dont think they are), but the NSA already

I would say everything except option (a). additionally, it's possible that data streams are drying up into the NSA (i dont think they are), but the NSA already has enough to incriminate literally every human on earth for any petty thoughtcrime most likely, I say, is that the data in NSA Utah is basically like a walled off test dev that only a few special people can query for currently important things. their main job is to determine how best to query it in the future and then each agency maintains a prod database of its own data its collected to oppress everyone. very rarely would they ever get NSA data

Cyph0n 10y ago
> but the NSA already has enough to incriminate literally every human on earth for any petty thoughtcrime I think that you are slightly overestimating how much the NSA can achieve with current technologies.
- salesguy222 10y ago
  Interesting. How many people, would you say, have a textual conversation over email or FB or a forum, etc, that had ended up in an NSA dragnet? Then, of those conversations (presumably several billion), how many are stored with some identifiable metadata, like IP address, GPS tag, real name, photo? Even if it is only a few million people, it's still way too much of an overreach, and still ridiculously cheap to store on tape and analyze on disk/ssd. then you just pay someone who cant find any better work to type queries into a system. How many times have you talked about potential crimes with your friends? how many times have they talked about using drugs, fake IDs, speeding, petty theft, etc how many times has "child porn" inadvertantly made it into your browsers temporary files. Almost everything is a crime, and the government's ability to cheaply prosecute is only growing
  - Cyph0n 10y ago
    I am aware of all that, and I can see how it would be feasible given enough compute power and cooperation from FB et. al. My issue is with your claim that the NSA could incriminate "literally" anyone on the planet.
    - salesguy222 10y ago
      I agree that literally is an exaggeration, and that for now, masai warriors and newborn infants are safe :)

Cyph0n 10y ago

> but the NSA already has enough to incriminate literally every human on earth for any petty thoughtcrime I think that you are slightly overestimating how much the NSA can achieve with current technologies.

salesguy222 10y ago
Interesting. How many people, would you say, have a textual conversation over email or FB or a forum, etc, that had ended up in an NSA dragnet? Then, of those conversations (presumably several billion), how many are stored with some identifiable metadata, like IP address, GPS tag, real name, photo? Even if it is only a few million people, it's still way too much of an overreach, and still ridiculously cheap to store on tape and analyze on disk/ssd. then you just pay someone who cant find any better work to type queries into a system. How many times have you talked about potential crimes with your friends? how many times have they talked about using drugs, fake IDs, speeding, petty theft, etc how many times has "child porn" inadvertantly made it into your browsers temporary files. Almost everything is a crime, and the government's ability to cheaply prosecute is only growing
- Cyph0n 10y ago
  I am aware of all that, and I can see how it would be feasible given enough compute power and cooperation from FB et. al. My issue is with your claim that the NSA could incriminate "literally" anyone on the planet.
  - salesguy222 10y ago
    I agree that literally is an exaggeration, and that for now, masai warriors and newborn infants are safe :)