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Considering how the NSA probably has access to this already, what does this mean? A few options off the top of my head. Not putting any probabilities on these,

by oskarth 10y ago

Considering how the NSA probably has access to this already, what does this mean? A few options off the top of my head. Not putting any probabilities on these, but it's interesting to think about. The options are neither exhaustive nor exclusive. (a) NSA info is drying up due to resistance from companies (b) NSA info can't be shared due to low-priority targets (c) NSA info can be shared but there's something going on between NSA and DHS that makes this difficult (d) NSA info can be shared, but only to people of a certain clearance, which makes this non-scalable for ports of entry (e) NSA info can be shared but the goal of the policy isn't info, it's signaling

salesguy222 10y ago
I would say everything except option (a). additionally, it's possible that data streams are drying up into the NSA (i dont think they are), but the NSA already has enough to incriminate literally every human on earth for any petty thoughtcrime most likely, I say, is that the data in NSA Utah is basically like a walled off test dev that only a few special people can query for currently important things. their main job is to determine how best to query it in the future and then each agency maintains a prod database of its own data its collected to oppress everyone. very rarely would they ever get NSA data
- Cyph0n 10y ago
  > but the NSA already has enough to incriminate literally every human on earth for any petty thoughtcrime I think that you are slightly overestimating how much the NSA can achieve with current technologies.
  - salesguy222 10y ago
    Interesting. How many people, would you say, have a textual conversation over email or FB or a forum, etc, that had ended up in an NSA dragnet? Then, of those conversations (presumably several billion), how many are stored with some identifiable metadata, like IP address, GPS tag, real name, photo? Even if it is only a few million people, it's still way too much of an overreach, and still ridiculously cheap to store on tape and analyze on disk/ssd. then you just pay someone who cant find any better work to type queries into a system. How many times have you talked about potential crimes with your friends? how many times have they talked about using drugs, fake IDs, speeding, petty theft, etc how many times has "child porn" inadvertantly made it into your browsers temporary files. Almost everything is a crime, and the government's ability to cheaply prosecute is only growing
    - Cyph0n 10y ago
      I am aware of all that, and I can see how it would be feasible given enough compute power and cooperation from FB et. al. My issue is with your claim that the NSA could incriminate "literally" anyone on the planet.
      - salesguy222 10y ago
        I agree that literally is an exaggeration, and that for now, masai warriors and newborn infants are safe :)
jacques_chester 10y ago
My hunch is that this is less about the technical ability to access data and more about adding another legally-defensible way to reject people they want to reject for other reasons. The NSA is probably already cahooting with the CBP for selected cases.

by oskarth 10y ago

salesguy222 10y ago

I would say everything except option (a). additionally, it's possible that data streams are drying up into the NSA (i dont think they are), but the NSA already has enough to incriminate literally every human on earth for any petty thoughtcrime most likely, I say, is that the data in NSA Utah is basically like a walled off test dev that only a few special people can query for currently important things. their main job is to determine how best to query it in the future and then each agency maintains a prod database of its own data its collected to oppress everyone. very rarely would they ever get NSA data

Cyph0n 10y ago
> but the NSA already has enough to incriminate literally every human on earth for any petty thoughtcrime I think that you are slightly overestimating how much the NSA can achieve with current technologies.
- salesguy222 10y ago
  Interesting. How many people, would you say, have a textual conversation over email or FB or a forum, etc, that had ended up in an NSA dragnet? Then, of those conversations (presumably several billion), how many are stored with some identifiable metadata, like IP address, GPS tag, real name, photo? Even if it is only a few million people, it's still way too much of an overreach, and still ridiculously cheap to store on tape and analyze on disk/ssd. then you just pay someone who cant find any better work to type queries into a system. How many times have you talked about potential crimes with your friends? how many times have they talked about using drugs, fake IDs, speeding, petty theft, etc how many times has "child porn" inadvertantly made it into your browsers temporary files. Almost everything is a crime, and the government's ability to cheaply prosecute is only growing
  - Cyph0n 10y ago
    I am aware of all that, and I can see how it would be feasible given enough compute power and cooperation from FB et. al. My issue is with your claim that the NSA could incriminate "literally" anyone on the planet.
    - salesguy222 10y ago
      I agree that literally is an exaggeration, and that for now, masai warriors and newborn infants are safe :)

jacques_chester 10y ago

My hunch is that this is less about the technical ability to access data and more about adding another legally-defensible way to reject people they want to reject for other reasons. The NSA is probably already cahooting with the CBP for selected cases.