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> Do you have any cites? Joe Biden says the:"Liberal international order is at risk." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_-iFOwxh20 https://www.youtube.com/watch

> Do you have any cites? Joe Biden says the:"Liberal international order is at risk." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_-iFOwxh20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_-iFOwxh20 Also "French Ambassador to the U.S. Gerard Araud foretold of a new world order. "After Brexit and this election, everything from now on is possible," Araud tweeted. "A world is collapsing before our eyes. Vertigo." "It's the end of an era, that of neoliberalism. What will succeed it, is yet to be known," Araud said in another tweet. Both tweets were later deleted." http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/world-reacts-trump-s-election-win-it-s-end-era-n681031 http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/world-rea... All of these people recognize that the post WWII world order is failing. There was no "end of history." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_History_and_the_Last_Man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_History_and_the_Las... > What countries really want to engage in war and disrupt the global economy? Humans are passionate animals. We will wage war for ideology. We always have. And while some will lose [economically] others will profit. War is big business.

aaron-lebo 10y ago
Thank you for the cites. That being said, those are politicians (not military leaders). Both of them have something to lose and a worldview that is antithetical to recent changes (Biden vs the Trump election, Araud vs Brexit). As of a year ago neither of those people would have predicted current events. Why should we believe they now know something we don't? Brexit sucks but the UK has always been resistant towards the EU. The EU as it exists today (or did last year) didn't even exist in 1990. Nobody is going to war over that, though. Humans are passionate animals. We will wage war for ideology. We always have. And while some will lose [economically] others will profit. War is big business. Of course, but what specifically suggests we are in a more dangerous situation now than we were in say 1982 when we still did nuclear attack drills, the USSR was invading countries, and Iraq and Iran were in the middle of war? What makes it worse than the 1990s when places like the Russia and Yugoslavia were crumbling? There will always be wars and rumors of war.
- atrendyguy 10y ago
  > That being said, those are politicians (not military leaders). Both of them have something to lose and a worldview that is antithetical to recent changes (Biden vs the Trump election, Araud vs Brexit). As of a year ago neither of those people would have predicted current events. Why should we believe they now know something we don't? Military leaders are great tacticians, but that doesn't mean they know anything about the power structures of the world. Politicians on the other hand have to develop a keen sense for where things are headed [politically]. And don't forget, war is the ultimate expression of politics. > There will always be wars and rumors of war. Right, and we won't be able to predict when the next one will be or how it will start. What we can say though is that things are getting unstable. The current system is bleeding. Now that it has shown weakness it will be challenged by groups hoping to fill a [potential] power vacuum.
77pt77 10y ago
> Humans are passionate animals I'd say passionately irrational.. Great content. Thanks.
eli_gottlieb 10y ago
>All of these people recognize that the post WWII world order is failing. There was no "end of history." I think you mean the post-Oil-Crisis, post-stagflation, post-Bretton Woods world order. The post-WW2 social-democratic order was put down in the late '60s and early '70s.
- spangry 10y ago
  Quite so. I wonder if what we're seeing now is simply the consequence of a large generation (i.e. gen Y) coming of age. Following this line of thinking, perhaps the replacement of social-democratic ideals with neoliberal ideology (and washington consensus macro) was similarly due to the baby-boomers coming of age in the late-60s and early 70s.

aaron-lebo 10y ago

Thank you for the cites. That being said, those are politicians (not military leaders). Both of them have something to lose and a worldview that is antithetical to recent changes (Biden vs the Trump election, Araud vs Brexit). As of a year ago neither of those people would have predicted current events. Why should we believe they now know something we don't? Brexit sucks but the UK has always been resistant towards the EU. The EU as it exists today (or did last year) didn't even exist in 1990. Nobody is going to war over that, though. Humans are passionate animals. We will wage war for ideology. We always have. And while some will lose [economically] others will profit. War is big business. Of course, but what specifically suggests we are in a more dangerous situation now than we were in say 1982 when we still did nuclear attack drills, the USSR was invading countries, and Iraq and Iran were in the middle of war? What makes it worse than the 1990s when places like the Russia and Yugoslavia were crumbling? There will always be wars and rumors of war.

atrendyguy 10y ago
> That being said, those are politicians (not military leaders). Both of them have something to lose and a worldview that is antithetical to recent changes (Biden vs the Trump election, Araud vs Brexit). As of a year ago neither of those people would have predicted current events. Why should we believe they now know something we don't? Military leaders are great tacticians, but that doesn't mean they know anything about the power structures of the world. Politicians on the other hand have to develop a keen sense for where things are headed [politically]. And don't forget, war is the ultimate expression of politics. > There will always be wars and rumors of war. Right, and we won't be able to predict when the next one will be or how it will start. What we can say though is that things are getting unstable. The current system is bleeding. Now that it has shown weakness it will be challenged by groups hoping to fill a [potential] power vacuum.

77pt77 10y ago

> Humans are passionate animals I'd say passionately irrational.. Great content. Thanks.

eli_gottlieb 10y ago

>All of these people recognize that the post WWII world order is failing. There was no "end of history." I think you mean the post-Oil-Crisis, post-stagflation, post-Bretton Woods world order. The post-WW2 social-democratic order was put down in the late '60s and early '70s.

spangry 10y ago
Quite so. I wonder if what we're seeing now is simply the consequence of a large generation (i.e. gen Y) coming of age. Following this line of thinking, perhaps the replacement of social-democratic ideals with neoliberal ideology (and washington consensus macro) was similarly due to the baby-boomers coming of age in the late-60s and early 70s.