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"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

by zaque1213 10y ago

Xeoncross 10y ago
So how do propose we pick "the truth"? This is the problem we now face: Truth has been labeled relative.
- tunap 10y ago
  Parse the wording of the statement(s) in question. Look for lapses existing between the actual language of a message and it's intended result. Wordsmith's are expert at saying nothing substantial while allowing(encouraging) the audience to perceive or project their biases to said message.
  - Xeoncross 10y ago
    I'm curious now, mind dissecting this quote?
    - tunap 10y ago
      Ambiguous, leading statements allow a listener to assume the content in lieu of specifics. In the spirit of the MSM's "Fake News" news lately, I submit a seemingly innocuous example: Of all of the "Supermoon" articles back in December(and priors), how many mention the fact that the closest full moonrise is indiscernable in size to the naked eye as the furthest full moonrise? Besides Phil Platt, I believe the answer is approaching 0. Yet, every MSM news site/channel promoted it as "the biggest in ~100 years", many webizens clicked the links, some even went out to watch it live and most now believe it appeared physically larger than any other full moonrise in ~100 years. edit:added "in" to discernable. swapped ~ for +/-.
- losteverything 10y ago
  1. Admission. "I did it" is one way. (Thinking of caught on camera) - after admission often the search for truth stops. As an aside one strong component of a couples ability to coexist is just this: how do they interpret relative truths. And how do they gain input for truth moments.
  - schoen 10y ago
    > after admission often the search for truth stops There is also a phenomenon of false confessions, which sometimes has to do with psychological factors and sometimes with incentives like people being punished less harshly when they accept a plea bargain. Since this subthread is talking about Orwell, I can point out that in Orwell's most famous work the authorities were very keen to obtain false confessions.
- zaque1213 10y ago
  I propose we base truth on whatever epistemological grounding that allows one to assert the truth claim of relative truth.

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Xeoncross 10y ago

So how do propose we pick "the truth"? This is the problem we now face: Truth has been labeled relative.

tunap 10y ago
Parse the wording of the statement(s) in question. Look for lapses existing between the actual language of a message and it's intended result. Wordsmith's are expert at saying nothing substantial while allowing(encouraging) the audience to perceive or project their biases to said message.
- Xeoncross 10y ago
  I'm curious now, mind dissecting this quote?
  - tunap 10y ago
    Ambiguous, leading statements allow a listener to assume the content in lieu of specifics. In the spirit of the MSM's "Fake News" news lately, I submit a seemingly innocuous example: Of all of the "Supermoon" articles back in December(and priors), how many mention the fact that the closest full moonrise is indiscernable in size to the naked eye as the furthest full moonrise? Besides Phil Platt, I believe the answer is approaching 0. Yet, every MSM news site/channel promoted it as "the biggest in ~100 years", many webizens clicked the links, some even went out to watch it live and most now believe it appeared physically larger than any other full moonrise in ~100 years. edit:added "in" to discernable. swapped ~ for +/-.
losteverything 10y ago
1. Admission. "I did it" is one way. (Thinking of caught on camera) - after admission often the search for truth stops. As an aside one strong component of a couples ability to coexist is just this: how do they interpret relative truths. And how do they gain input for truth moments.
- schoen 10y ago
  > after admission often the search for truth stops There is also a phenomenon of false confessions, which sometimes has to do with psychological factors and sometimes with incentives like people being punished less harshly when they accept a plea bargain. Since this subthread is talking about Orwell, I can point out that in Orwell's most famous work the authorities were very keen to obtain false confessions.
zaque1213 10y ago
I propose we base truth on whatever epistemological grounding that allows one to assert the truth claim of relative truth.